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<blockquote data-quote="soblessed53" data-source="post: 55858712" data-attributes="member: 123441"><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">And your proof? And how can you possibly know who he is but not know who Nonie Darwish and Brigette Gabriel are?</span></strong> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">I don't believe any thinking person should believe anything the Terrorist front organization CAIR has to say about any Apostate! If their info is what you base your claim on.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">Ibn Warraq</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Warraq" target="_blank">Ibn Warraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">Nonie Darwish</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonie_Darwish" target="_blank">Nonie Darwish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">Brigette Gabriel</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel" target="_blank">Brigitte Gabriel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy">Wahlid Shoebat</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: Navy"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat" target="_blank">Walid Shoebat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></span></strong></p><p></p><p>Critics of CAIR, including six members of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives" target="_blank">U.S. House of Representatives</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate" target="_blank">Senate</a>,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-kylepress-51" target="_blank">[52]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-myrickpress-74" target="_blank">[75]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-boxertimes-75" target="_blank">[76]</a> have alleged ties between the CAIR founders and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas" target="_blank">Hamas</a>. The founders, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, had earlier been officers of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Association_of_Palestine" target="_blank">Islamic Association of Palestine</a> (IAP), described by a former FBI analyst and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasury_Department" target="_blank">Treasury Department</a> intelligence official as "intimately tied to the most senior Hamas leadership."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-76" target="_blank">[77]</a> Both Ahmad and Awad participated in a meeting held in Philadelphia on October 3, 1993, that involved senior leaders of Hamas, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation" target="_blank">Holy Land Foundation</a>, and the IAP.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-dallasnewsfbi-77" target="_blank">[78]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-aim-78" target="_blank">[79]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-khou-79" target="_blank">[80]</a> Based on electronic surveillance of the meeting, the FBI reported that &#8220;the participants went to great length and spent much effort hiding their association with the Islamic Resistance Movement [Hamas]."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-80" target="_blank">[81]</a> Participants at the meeting discussed forming a "political organization and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations" target="_blank">public relations</a>&#8221; body, &#8220;whose Islamic hue is not very conspicuous."<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-dallasnews-81" target="_blank">[82]</a></p><p> Critics[<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words" target="_blank">who?</a></em>] also point to a July 1994 meeting identifying CAIR as one of the four U.S. organizations comprising the working organizations of the Palestine Committee of the U.S. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood" target="_blank">Muslim Brotherhood</a>, the parent organization and supporter of Hamas.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-82" target="_blank">[83]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-83" target="_blank">[84]</a> At a 1994 meeting at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_University" target="_blank">Barry University</a>, Awad said that he was "in support of the Hamas movement". CAIR has responded by noting that Hamas was only designated a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_organization" target="_blank">terrorist organization</a> in January 1995 and did not commit its first wave of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombing" target="_blank">suicide bombings</a> until late 1994, after Awad made the comment.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-84" target="_blank">[85]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-85" target="_blank">[86]</a></p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pipes" target="_blank">Daniel Pipes</a> and investigative reporter <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Emerson" target="_blank">Steven Emerson</a> accuse CAIR of being a front for Hamas, having ties to terrorism, as well as "offering a platform to conspiratorial Israel-bashers." The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League" target="_blank">Anti-Defamation League</a> and Emerson have also accused CAIR of having a long record of propagating antisemitic propaganda.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-86" target="_blank">[87]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-87" target="_blank">[88]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-88" target="_blank">[89]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-89" target="_blank">[90]</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-Emerson2005-90" target="_blank">[91]</a> Journalist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Tapper" target="_blank">Jake Tapper</a> criticizes CAIR for refusing to condemn specifically Osama bin Laden and Islamic extremism, but rather making only vague and generic criticisms.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-91" target="_blank">[92]</a></p><p> Pipes has accused CAIR of demanding that a billboard declaring Osama bin Laden "the sworn enemy" be brought down in 1998 as "offensive to Moslems", denying bin Laden's responsibility for the Africa embassy bombings, calling the conviction of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers "a travesty of justice," calling the conviction of the blind Sheikh <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel_Rahman" target="_blank">Omar Abdel Rahman</a> a "hate crime", calling the extradition order of suspected Hamas terrorist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousa_Mohammed_Abu_Marzook" target="_blank">Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook</a> "anti-Islamic", calling President Bush's closing of the Holy Land Foundation for collecting money used to support Hamas "unjust" and "disturbing", praising and defending convicted murderer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Rap_Brown" target="_blank">H. Rap Brown</a> as well as convicted attempted murderer Adnan Chaudhry, and their LA office head calling Israelis "zionazis"; he also quotes the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism Steven Pomerantz saying that CAIR "effectively" gives aid to international terrorist groups.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-92" target="_blank">[93]</a></p><p> CAIR has also raised suspicions by raising its annual budget of around $3 million (as of 2007) in part through large donations from people and foundations identified with Arab governments.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-scr-93" target="_blank">[94]</a> And some Muslims criticize CAIR for being overly conservative from a religious standpoint, for example by taking the disputed position that all Moslem women are required to veil their hair.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-scr-93" target="_blank">[94]</a></p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscientist" target="_blank">Neuroscientist</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling" target="_blank">best selling</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author" target="_blank">author</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris" target="_blank">Sam Harris</a>, noted mainly for his contribution to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism" target="_blank">New Atheism</a> movement, criticized CAIR by doubting their legitimacy saying CAIR is "an Islamist public relations firm posing as a civil-rights lobby".<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-94" target="_blank">[95]</a></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations" target="_blank">Council on American-Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soblessed53, post: 55858712, member: 123441"] [B][COLOR=Navy]And your proof? And how can you possibly know who he is but not know who Nonie Darwish and Brigette Gabriel are?[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=Navy]I don't believe any thinking person should believe anything the Terrorist front organization CAIR has to say about any Apostate! If their info is what you base your claim on. Ibn Warraq [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Warraq"]Ibn Warraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL] Nonie Darwish [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonie_Darwish"]Nonie Darwish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL] Brigette Gabriel [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel"]Brigitte Gabriel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL] Wahlid Shoebat [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat"]Walid Shoebat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL][/COLOR][/B] Critics of CAIR, including six members of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives"]U.S. House of Representatives[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate"]Senate[/URL],[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-kylepress-51"][52][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-myrickpress-74"][75][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-boxertimes-75"][76][/URL] have alleged ties between the CAIR founders and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas"]Hamas[/URL]. The founders, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad, had earlier been officers of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Association_of_Palestine"]Islamic Association of Palestine[/URL] (IAP), described by a former FBI analyst and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasury_Department"]Treasury Department[/URL] intelligence official as "intimately tied to the most senior Hamas leadership."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-76"][77][/URL] Both Ahmad and Awad participated in a meeting held in Philadelphia on October 3, 1993, that involved senior leaders of Hamas, the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation"]Holy Land Foundation[/URL], and the IAP.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-dallasnewsfbi-77"][78][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-aim-78"][79][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-khou-79"][80][/URL] Based on electronic surveillance of the meeting, the FBI reported that “the participants went to great length and spent much effort hiding their association with the Islamic Resistance Movement [Hamas]."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-80"][81][/URL] Participants at the meeting discussed forming a "political organization and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations"]public relations[/URL]” body, “whose Islamic hue is not very conspicuous."[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-dallasnews-81"][82][/URL] Critics[[I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words"]who?[/URL][/I]] also point to a July 1994 meeting identifying CAIR as one of the four U.S. organizations comprising the working organizations of the Palestine Committee of the U.S. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood"]Muslim Brotherhood[/URL], the parent organization and supporter of Hamas.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-82"][83][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-83"][84][/URL] At a 1994 meeting at [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_University"]Barry University[/URL], Awad said that he was "in support of the Hamas movement". CAIR has responded by noting that Hamas was only designated a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_organization"]terrorist organization[/URL] in January 1995 and did not commit its first wave of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombing"]suicide bombings[/URL] until late 1994, after Awad made the comment.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-84"][85][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-85"][86][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pipes"]Daniel Pipes[/URL] and investigative reporter [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Emerson"]Steven Emerson[/URL] accuse CAIR of being a front for Hamas, having ties to terrorism, as well as "offering a platform to conspiratorial Israel-bashers." The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League"]Anti-Defamation League[/URL] and Emerson have also accused CAIR of having a long record of propagating antisemitic propaganda.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-86"][87][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-87"][88][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-88"][89][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-89"][90][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-Emerson2005-90"][91][/URL] Journalist [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Tapper"]Jake Tapper[/URL] criticizes CAIR for refusing to condemn specifically Osama bin Laden and Islamic extremism, but rather making only vague and generic criticisms.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-91"][92][/URL] Pipes has accused CAIR of demanding that a billboard declaring Osama bin Laden "the sworn enemy" be brought down in 1998 as "offensive to Moslems", denying bin Laden's responsibility for the Africa embassy bombings, calling the conviction of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers "a travesty of justice," calling the conviction of the blind Sheikh [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel_Rahman"]Omar Abdel Rahman[/URL] a "hate crime", calling the extradition order of suspected Hamas terrorist [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mousa_Mohammed_Abu_Marzook"]Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook[/URL] "anti-Islamic", calling President Bush's closing of the Holy Land Foundation for collecting money used to support Hamas "unjust" and "disturbing", praising and defending convicted murderer [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Rap_Brown"]H. Rap Brown[/URL] as well as convicted attempted murderer Adnan Chaudhry, and their LA office head calling Israelis "zionazis"; he also quotes the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism Steven Pomerantz saying that CAIR "effectively" gives aid to international terrorist groups.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-92"][93][/URL] CAIR has also raised suspicions by raising its annual budget of around $3 million (as of 2007) in part through large donations from people and foundations identified with Arab governments.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-scr-93"][94][/URL] And some Muslims criticize CAIR for being overly conservative from a religious standpoint, for example by taking the disputed position that all Moslem women are required to veil their hair.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-scr-93"][94][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscientist"]Neuroscientist[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling"]best selling[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author"]author[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris"]Sam Harris[/URL], noted mainly for his contribution to the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism"]New Atheism[/URL] movement, criticized CAIR by doubting their legitimacy saying CAIR is "an Islamist public relations firm posing as a civil-rights lobby".[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations#cite_note-94"][95][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations"]Council on American-Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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