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One thing I know for sure is that God doesn’t play hide and seek.
Those verses are true, but that is not what I mean. Matthew 7:9-11:"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness,"
The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field.
"It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out".
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so what did you mean then ?Those verses are true, but that is not what I mean. Matthew 7:9-11:
9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
If you want God to tell you what He wants you to do, He will tell you. If He doesn’t, you are not listening, or God is giving you free will. Your choices might not have an effect on the outcome, because God’s plan might allow you several paths.
I mean, if you are sitting there thinking “What does God want me to do?” then pray. If you think He has answered, see if it agrees with Scripture. If it does, act. If you think He hasn’t answered, then be willing to wait or make your own choice. God once told me what I should do very quietly and gently. I didn’t listen until I was in the hospital and had no other choice. Other times, it was obvious that He had given me more than one good choice. If you want to do what God wants you to do, trust Him to make things clear, kind of like Gideon, but you don’t need wool. Another thing I learned is that God sometimes wants you to do the same thing you want to do, so there is no need for discussion or questioning. Anyway, God loves you and will tell you what He wants if needed.so what did you mean then ?
I mean, if you are sitting there thinking “What does God want me to do?” then pray. If you think He has answered, see if it agrees with Scripture. If it does, act. If you think He hasn’t answered, then be willing to wait or make your own choice. God once told me what I should do very quietly and gently. I didn’t listen until I was in the hospital and had no other choice. Other times, it was obvious that He had given me more than one good choice. If you want to do what God wants you to do, trust Him to make things clear, kind of like Gideon, but you don’t need wool. Another thing I learned is that God sometimes wants you to do the same thing you want to do, so there is no need for discussion or questioning. Anyway, God loves you and will tell you what He wants if needed.
I’m a little confused with this discussion, and I feel I’m missing an important point. The way I see it at this point is as follows: Angels are real and they visit people and help them. Devils are real and they pretend to be angels of light and deceive people. People imagine things and think that they are getting divine guidance. Which thing is happening is not always clear. If you study the Scriptures carefully and find that there is no conflict with the “revelation” somebody has had, then one must decide what to do about it.
I was in one congregation where a good Christian man had a message from God that an important event was soon to happen. Everybody believed him and put a lot of work and money into preparations, including the man with the message. Nothing happened, but nothing went to waste that I know of. Was it like Jonah, and Nineveh repented? Only God knows, but the cooperation, good works, and devotion in action were all positive things. It wasn’t like people selling everything, because somebody said that the rapture would happen next week. Everybody could see that no real harm would be done if the message was not true, and nobody was angry afterwards.
One thing I know for sure is that God doesn’t play hide and seek. If you are a Christian and doing something contrary to God’s plan, He will make it clear, and you may not like how He does it. Anyway, I would like to know what I’m missing in this debate.
That is about it, except there are things God doesn’t want you to know at this time and place. Ask all you want about things that will be revealed in the future or about things that are not your business, and God probably won’t tell you. Sometimes, God knows you are not ready, so He waits until you are.so if you want to know something which is hidden\concealed from you ... you seek it out by asking God to reveal it to you ...
"It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out".
If you are saying that God reveals and does all sorts of things that our limited minds attribute to angels, then I agree with you. As long as God is given the glory. It is not always for us to know if angels were involved or not. It is enough to know God did something that we should praise Him for. Do I have that right?Books have been written about the end times (big money maker) and updated by their authors when what they say does not come to pass (and one would have to assume they believed they were told these things by angels or even the spirit of God (good thing people don’t stone those who call themselves prophets for unfulfilled utterances), and all of it is disconnected from where, and in whom God is revealing his son (which is all about relationship); to which angels facilitate on a personnel level and not intended to lead or teach any one (other than a spiritual gift … That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me), and conforms to what the Holy Spirit has already been leading you into (such as the new name written on a white stone).
I’m not saying angels do not physically help people (David believed this, Paul believed this, as well as Jesus (an eye witness said that they saw a hand pull me back from death, though I had no such experience with my accident, and never gave it another thought) … but angels can be people who are unaware of their role that they are playing in light of the process of the revealing of this son we are in us; which comes under the heading of a pasture without us … but trees, grass, the sun, the moon, clouds, rivers, leaves, etc. etc. etc. all speak to this same process in us as part and parcel of the language of God …
There are places of seeing from that (from cover to cover) in scripture are represented by the denomination of three, as is the case with the war in heaven, and a/the third that were drew and cast to the earth by a tail of a dragon) ...
That is about it, except there are things God doesn’t want you to know at this time and place. Ask all you want about things that will be revealed in the future or about things that are not your business, and God probably won’t tell you. Sometimes, God knows you are not ready, so He waits until you are.
so are you not sure about this statement then
One thing I know for sure is that God doesn’t play hide and seek.
or do you still hold to it
You do ... but it is first and foremost not about that which is outside of the city ... so to speak ... when we enter into his word, his word begins to be revealed all around us, and to this revealing all of it begins to speak to (both seen and unseen) though it has always spoken thus), which is not separate from the purpose God purposed in himself.If you are saying that God reveals and does all sorts of things that our limited minds attribute to angels, then I agree with you. As long as God is given the glory. It is not always for us to know if angels were involved or not. It is enough to know God did something that we should praise Him for. Do I have that right?
I see what you mean, but I have to mill it over until tomorrow.You do ... but it is first and foremost not about that which is outside of the city ... so to speak ... when we enter into his word, his word begins to be revealed all around us, and to this revealing all of it begins to speak to (both seen and unseen) though it has always spoken thus), which is not separate from the purpose God purposed in himself.
It shouldn't be any stranger thing to us then being equal with God ...
i am more looking for a yes or no answer ... not to corner you for the futility of point scoring, but rather to show how our own reasoning betrays us and why we should reason with Him, which is one and the same as to seek out the truth ...The reply button is acting up again, but this is to answer Honey badger above.
If you ask God and He wants you to know, He will make it known. He isn’t coy, but he expects you to do a little work. George Washington Carver asked God to teach him everything about the peanut. God said, “Your brain is too small.” However, nobody knew more about the peanut than Carver after years of study.
“Hide and seek” was just a metaphor. “Coy” is better, but it still falls short. Let’s say you ask God, “Should I go into the ministry?” If He wants you to, He will make it clear to you. If you ask Him about the meaning of the beast in Revelation, He will lead you into study, but it might not be the right time to know. Discovering His teachings in Scriptures or the complications of the peanut is getting to know Him and His creation, which is a form a worship and brings knowledge of Him. The journey to the truth is as important as the goal. No offense to you, but I have to stop posting for today.i am more looking for a yes or no answer ... not to corner you for the futility of point scoring, but rather to show how our own reasoning betrays us and why we should reason with Him, which is one and the same as to seek out the truth ...
Being confused about a discussion on CF, is often expected.I’m a little confused with this discussion, and I feel I’m missing an important point.
This is one reason there is confusion.The way I see it at this point is as follows: Angels are real and they visit people and help them.
For one thing, Jerry, the thread was not made to argue about whether or not someone was visited by an angel of God, or an angel of Satan, but since the subject is 'Angels', and someone made the claim they were visited by God's angel, they should scripturally back it up. Especially since the claim was opposed with scripture.Devils are real and they pretend to be angels of light and deceive people. People imagine things and think that they are getting divine guidance. Which thing is happening is not always clear. If you study the Scriptures carefully and find that there is no conflict with the “revelation” somebody has had, then one must decide what to do about it.
I was in one congregation where a good Christian man had a message from God that an important event was soon to happen. Everybody believed him and put a lot of work and money into preparations, including the man with the message. Nothing happened, but nothing went to waste that I know of. Was it like Jonah, and Nineveh repented? Only God knows, but the cooperation, good works, and devotion in action were all positive things. It wasn’t like people selling everything, because somebody said that the rapture would happen next week. Everybody could see that no real harm would be done if the message was not true, and nobody was angry afterwards.
One thing I know for sure is that God doesn’t play hide and seek. If you are a Christian and doing something contrary to God’s plan, He will make it clear, and you may not like how He does it. Anyway, I would like to know what I’m missing in this debate.
I hope you don't mind if I ask.“Hide and seek” was just a metaphor. “Coy” is better, but it still falls short. Let’s say you ask God, “Should I go into the ministry?” If He wants you to, He will make it clear to you. If you ask Him about the meaning of the beast in Revelation, He will lead you into study, but it might not be the right time to know. Discovering His teachings in Scriptures or the complications of the peanut is getting to know Him and His creation, which is a form a worship and brings knowledge of Him. The journey to the truth is as important as the goal. No offense to you, but I have to stop posting for today.
We do not find this in the scriptures.but angels can be people who are unaware of their role that they are playing in light of the process of the revealing of this son we are in us; which comes under the heading of a pasture without us … but trees, grass, the sun, the moon, clouds, rivers, leaves, etc. etc. etc. all speak to this same process in us as part and parcel of the language of God …
I see the problem, and it is my mistake. I didn’t notice that Scriptures were required. I’m still learning my way around this forum, and I find angel stories interesting, so I made a poor assumption.I hope you don't mind if I ask.
How will God make it clear to you?
I know from Acts 8:26-31 an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Get up and go south to the desert road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.”
So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official in charge of the entire treasury of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship, and on his return was sitting in his chariot reading Isaiah the prophet.
The Spirit said to Philip, “Go over to that chariot and stay by it.”
So Philip ran up and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
“How can I,” he said, “unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Thereafter, the man understood the passage. Only because God directed Philip, by an angel, and holy spirit, o a man who was seeking, and Philip, who was a disciple of Christ, helped that man.
The man was a devout worshipper, but needed help from a chosen servant of God.
Is that not how God helps persons seeking to understand his will?
We do not find this in the scriptures.
You appear to be presenting philosophy of a different source.
Please provide the source of your statements.
I can't really add more than I have written in #94.i am more looking for a yes or no answer ... not to corner you for the futility of point scoring, but rather to show how our own reasoning betrays us and why we should reason with Him, which is one and the same as to seek out the truth ...
God surely reveals Himself in Scriptures and His creation, and we should always see ourselves within His realm and love. I have come across the idea of “It shouldn't be any stranger thing to us than being equal with God ...,” but it is topic worth avoiding. You can really get in the weeds and instigate all sorts of misunderstandings.You do ... but it is first and foremost not about that which is outside of the city ... so to speak ... when we enter into his word, his word begins to be revealed all around us, and to this revealing all of it begins to speak to (both seen and unseen) though it has always spoken thus), which is not separate from the purpose God purposed in himself.
It shouldn't be any stranger thing to us then being equal with God ...
“And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground”We do not find this in the scriptures.
You appear to be presenting philosophy of a different source.
Please provide the source of your statements.
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