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"...and praise is comely."

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Psalm 147:1
"Praise ye the Lord: for it is good to sing praises unto our God; for it is pleasant; and praise is comely."

Not noisy, COMELY
Not disrupting, PLEASANT

God deserves more than what it is played in the secular world. HE IS THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS. Not even earthly kings receive such disrespect liberal christians give the Lord.
 

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wow... it seems as though you have successfully put God in a box... you are saying that God will only move in a certain STYLE of music... how poor that is... and we wonder why God doesn't move at all! The word shout and Dance and Clap are used more in the Bible as descriptions of praise than are the word Sing is... hmm... interesting...

Why is it that we want God to truly have His way, as long as he doesn't mess our hair up? Dignity is one of the most powerful hinderances to God's will we can find in the church...
 
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Let me tell you something pal:
"You cannot put God in a box, even if you tried. You know why God doesnt move in your life? It is because of your sin and tendency to satisfy your flesh! The Bible says in Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

You know how you grieve him? With your sin! But you dont want to realize that most of what you do is sin, and you need to ask for forgiveness to God everyday, so that the Holy Spirit is no hindered in your life. 1 Cor 14:40 "Let all things be done decently and in order."

I guess you dont want to understand that, why dont you just tell God a big "dont care, I'll do it my way"? You need to comform to God, not God to your lifestyle. Stop using God, for the first time in your life, let Him use you!

I hope you realize we all live in sin.

In Christian love.
 
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Street-Preacher said:
Whatever...Is that what the Bible says? my posts are offensive to you, because it hurts your pride and flesh. pray about it.
2 cor 5:7

Your posts are offensive because they try to make things black and white where they are not. Your posts are offensive because you are promoting a very legalistic view, one that I doubt Jesus would be proud of.
 
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Jesus doesnt feel pride, pride is a sin.
John the Baptist, many prophets, and THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAID:
"Oh, ye generation of vipers..."
"Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand..."

Tell me from the Bible, where does it say not to preach against sin!
Legalistic would be if I say this:
"If you dont do this, you are not saved..."
DO I SAY THAT? NO!
I say this:
"Sin is wrong, and we need to be alert to fight it, it is in our flesh, all over people commit sin, you commit sin, I commit sin, we need to repent daily to be right with God (not to be saved), Jesus preached boldly against sin, that is why his disciples left Him."
Read the Bible more, but pray for guidance, are you saved?
 
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Amy Grant


The queen-bee of Christian rock is Amy Grant. Amy's song, "Baby, Baby", was unprecedented in Gospel Music history topping the chart as the number-one spot on Billboard magazine. Is the secular world "turning on" to Jesus? Not hardly. . . People magazine (July 15, 1991 p.71) says of Amy's video Baby, Baby , "There's saintly Amy cuddling some hunky guy, crooning "Baby, Baby" into his ear and looking pretty SLEEK AND SINFUL. . ." After all, Amy confesses, "I'm trying to look SEXY to sell a record . . ." (Rolling Stone, June 6, 1985 p. 10)

The Bible says in 2 Timothy 2:22, "Flee also youthful lusts:", but Amy says, "Petting happens . . . As a teenager, when I gave part of me to someone, I knew I was just going to flirt, HAVE A LITTLE FUN, . . ."(Bob Millard, Amy Grant, (New York, 1986),p. 30)

Amy says in Ladies Home Journal (December, 1985, p. 100), "I have a healthy sense of right and wrong, but sometimes, for example, using foul, exclamation-point words among friends can be good for a laugh."

Amy says, "Why isolate yourself? Your life isolates you enough. I'm isolated when I walk into a room and somebody says, She's a Christian and NOBODY OFFERS ME A JOINT and all the coke (cocaine) disappears. . ." (Bob Millard, Amy Grant, (New York, 1986), p. 169) Husband Gary Chapman confessed in People magazine (July 15, 1991 p. 72), of a six-year cocaine and marijuana addiction! Amy also says, "I remember years ago — the first time I smelled anybody smoking a joint at a concert, I WAS THRILLED . . . it meant to me that obviously this person is not affected by the church peer pressure."(Bob Millard, Amy Grant, (New York, 1986),p. 30)

On Amy's video, That's What Love Is For , Amy is dressed in a red robe, (used in witchcraft rituals) flashing on the palms of her hands, a six-pointed-star — A HEXAGRAM! Sean Sellars, a fomer satanist on death row, for sacrificing 3 people to Satan, says in his book Web of Darkness (p.51), the hexagram "is said by some to be the most powerful and evil sign in satanism and of all the occult world. The hexagram is used mainly in witchcraft to summon demons from the underworld. The word hex which means to place a curse on someone, originated from this sign." And the primary point of contact in the transmission of spirits — is the hand!

One of the most widespread and best known satanic signs is the I1 Cornuto, also known as the "satanic salute" and the "horned hand". It is made by, making a fist and extending the first (index) and last (pinkie) finger. For example . The satanic salute is displayed by satanists to acknowledge their allegiance to Satan. Anton LaVey, displays it on the back cover of The Satanic Bible. The satanic salute is popular in rock music. And on the Michael W. Smith, In Concert (Reunion Records, 1985) video tape Amy Grant clearly flashes the "satanic salute"! And it is NOT the sign language for "I love you", where the thumb is openly extended! Amy delibertely flashes the "satanic salute" at least two separate times on the video, displaying it for several seconds!



Is Amy Grant a satanist? Absolutely NOT!

But there is a definite spirit invoked in rock music, secular or Christian — and it's NOT the Holy Spirit! And many times, people involved in rock music get "caught up in this unholy spirit"!

During a 1993 Ophrah Winfrey interview, Michael Jackson, explained the reason for some of his fithly sexual gestures during his concerts:


"It happens subliminally. IT'S THE MUSIC THAT COMPELS ME TO DO IT. You don't think about it, it just happens. I'M SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM."
(The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10)
It's NOT the lyrics! It's the MUSIC!

How can the Holy Spirit of the Bible use fleshly music!


"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these ARE CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
Galatians 5:17

Amy's album, House of Love includes the environmental-mother-earth song, Big Yellow Taxi, by new-age-priestess — Joni Mitchell. Time magazine, (December, 16, 1974, p.63) tells of Joni Mitchells intimate relationship with a muse (a demon spirit) named Art. Joni says, "I feel like I'm married to this guy named Art, I'm responsible to my Art above all else." Some of the words to Big Yellow Taxi, "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot". How different from the words of the Lord Jesus in Luke 23:43, "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Of course, what's the Bible and Jesus got to do with "CHRISTian" rock?
Amy's latest album, Behind the Eyes goes even further to "exorcise" any Christian influence. Christianity Today (12/8/97), in article entitled, "Where's the Gospel?", writes:

"Amy Grant's latest album has thrown the Contemporary Christian Music industry into a first-rate identity crisis. . . Grant's newest release, Behind the Eyes, comes as no surprise given the course of her career since Unguarded (1985), the first of her albums to be distributed jointly by CCM label Myrrh in the evangelical market and A&M in the mainstream market. Previous "crossover" projects, however, had made at least some mention of God or Jesus. The complete absence of explicitly Christian lyrical content on Behind the Eyes has renewed a debate in the CCM industry about what constitutes Christian music." (Christianity Today, Dec., 8, 1997, "Where's the Gospel?")
CCM has gotten so far off the track, Amy, admitts in Christianity Today, she doesn't even know what Christian music is, "I DON'T KNOW if Behind the Eyes is a Christian record. Being able to label it Christian or non-Christian is not the point for me."
CCM is in such as worldly, compromising, money-making, confusing, mess — it's "number-one-star" does NOT even know if her album is Christian! CHRISTian is a disciple of Jesus Christ! If it's not about the Lord Jesus Christ — it is NOT CHRISTian! A music buyer for religious stores mentioned in Christianity Today, truthfully says of Behind the Eyes, "It's NOT a Christian album. A Christian album should be clear on the person of Christ, and these lyrics are not."

Christianity Today, makes a keen observation, as it emphasizes that, incrediably, some songs by secular performers are more Christian than CCM's! Christianity Today asks the following enlightening question, in reference to secular, Mary Chapin Carpenter's, "I Am a Town" — "If Carpenter can sing, 'I'm a Baptist like my daddy, Jesus knows my name,' why does Grant have to be so discreet about her faith?" Very good quesion. . . Why does CCM have to be so discreet about their faith? Why does a supposedly Christian NOT want to sing about the Lord Jesus Christ?

The German reformer and musician, Martin Luther puts it bluntly - "whoever does NOT want to song and speak of it shows that he does not believe it". According to Luther — they're NOT saved!


"We should praise God with both word and music, namely by proclaiming [the Word of God] through music. . .He who believes earnestly cannot be quiet about it. But he must gladly and willingly sing and speak about it so that others may come and hear it. And whoever does NOT want to song and speak of it shows that he does not believe it." (Don Cusic, The Sound of Light, p. 15)
Because of Grant's (and CCM's) obvious UNChristian lyrics, Christianity Today, writes:
"The Christian music industry has been unsure how to categorize Grant's latest offering, so much so, in fact, that the GMA and Christian Music Trade Association (CMTA) initiated a re-evaluation of existing guidelines for GMA Dove Award eligibility and sales chart placement."
Not to dare break their "compromising-wordly-commercial-track-record", GMA, did allow Grant's Behind the Eyes in the Dove Awards — and "presto" — Behind the Eyes was the 1998 Dove Award's, Pop/Contemporary Album of the Year!
Stan Moser, former head of Word Records (the man responsible for signing Amy Grant) and CEO of Star Song Records, was one of the pioneers and most important executives in CCM. And after 26 years in CCM, in November 1995, walked away from CCM. In an article in Christianity Today, titled "We Have Created a Monster" about CCM, Mr. Moser freely admits:


"But to be candid, I look at the majority of the music I hear today and think it's virtually meaningless." (Christianity Today, "We Have Created a Monster", May 20, 1996 p. 27)
Mr. Moser goes on to make this eye-opening statement:

". . .I would probably be more inclined to call the industry 'commercial Christian music,' rather than 'contemporary Christian music.'" (Christianity Today, "We Have Created a Monster", May 20, 1996 p. 27)
CCM artist, Michael Card, admits that much of CCM - is NOT Christian:

"The lyrics of a good number of the songs don't betray anything specifically Christian - they may have some moral message, but not a lot of the big songs are identifiably Christian. . . 'What happens to the message when we start getting the music to as many people as possible?' There is an essential part of the gospel that's not ever going to sell. The gospel is good news, but it is also bad news: 'You are a sinner, and you are hopeless.' How is a multimillion-dollar record company going to take that? That's a part of the message, too, and if that's taken out - and it frequently is in Christian music - it ceases to be the gospel." (Can't Buy Me Love, Christianity Today, May 20, 1996, p. 25)
Michael Card, makes this alarming statement about CCM:

"The direction and value system are getting worse faster than any of us can imagine." (Can't Buy Me Ministry, Christianity Today, May 20, 1996 (p. 22)
 
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OK, first of all, remember that your post is an attack on one artist. Also remember that I could look up some dirt on the people who wrote the songs in the hymnal you use on Sundays. We ain't perfect, my man; why should we expect our musicians to be?

The main thing I want to know is this.....do you think secular music is evil? If so, where is the justification for this?
 
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Michael W. Smith



One of the most disturbing performers is Michael W. Smith. The "idol" of screaming young Christian girls, Inside Music, Jan/Feb 91, says, "His concerts draw hundreds of thousands of fans each year, mostly teenage girls who scream out their AFFECTION FOR HIM non-stop throughout. . . . To his fans, Smith is the absolute greatest there is, BAR NONE . . ." THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST THERE IS, BAR NONE —Can any honest person who has remotely read the Bible — possibly believe God the Holy Spirit is involved in Smith's idol-worshipping music? What a mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ, who "made himself of no reputation" (Philippians 2:7). Compare Smith to John the Baptist who said in John 3:30, "He must increase, but I MUST DECREASE". Or the Apostle Paul in 1 Cor. 4:13, ". . . we are made as the FILTH OF THE WORLD, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day."

Jesus said in John 12:43, "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."

On the back of Smith's album The Big Picture, is Michael W. Smith — BACKWARDS! A common satanic practice, taught by satanist Aliester Crowley (Crowley is very popular in the rock music world). Crowley gives instructions to the satanist:



". . .train himself to think BACKWARDS by external means, as set forth here following.
(a) Let him learn to write BACKWARDS. . .
(b) Let him learn to walk BACKWARDS. . .
(c) Let him. . . listen to phonograph records REVERSED
(d) Let him practise speaking BACKWARDS. . .
(e) Let him learn to read BACKWARDS. . ."
(Aleister Crowley, Magick In Theory And Practice)
Having counseled teenagers in satanism, I know one of the first signs of satanic influence is writing backwards!

But something even more frightening appears on the album . . . The M in Michael and the T in Smith is part of the Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft and satanism! Only someone involved in the occult would know such an alphabet exists! In the book, Web of Darkness, former satanist Sean Sellers says, "Runes are the oldest form of occult knowledge and magic . . . their use sets a person against God." (Sean Sellers, Web of Darkness, p. 72)

Inside Music magazine, (Jan/Feb 91, p.23) interviewing Michael W. Smith, said, "There's also the influence of such groups as Alan Parsons in your music. It's especially noticeable on the first record, the Michael W. Smith Project (named after Alan Parsons's album, The Alan Parsons Project)." And Smith's reply, "DEFINITELY!" C'mon Smith! Alan Parsons is among the most occultic in rock! Alan Parsons has songs titled: "Lucifer", the blasphemous "Genesis Ch 1 v32" (there is no Genesis Chapter 1 verse 32!). Alan Parsons, album, Eye In The Sky on the cover (and back) is the Eye of Horus (also called the Eye of Lucifer). Not surprisingly, Smith also has an album titled, I2(EYE). Of course, the name of Jesus is nowhere to be found (did you really think it would be?)

Michael W. Smith's album, Change Your World, has 2819 words — Jesus occurs — ZERO!
Michael W. Smith's album, I’ll Lead You Home, has 2046 words —: Jesus occurs — ZERO!

Compare that to the Apostle Paul (a REAL Christian) in just the first chapter of 1 Corinthians:


verse 1 Jesus Christ
verse 2 Christ Jesus, Jesus Christ our Lord
verse 3 God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
verse 4 Jesus Christ;
verse 6 Christ
verse 7 our Lord Jesus Christ:
verse 8 our Lord Jesus Christ.
verse 9 his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
verse 10 our Lord Jesus Christ
verse 12 Christ
verse 13 Christ
verse 17 Christ..the cross of Christ
verse 23 Christ crucified
verse 24 Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
verse 30 Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The party-line of the Christian rockers is they're trying to reach the young people with the gospel of Jesus Christ by using rock as a tool. But how are they going to reach them with the gospel of JESUS CHRIST when they won't even mention HIS NAME?

Here's what a secular reporter in the Birmingham News wrote after watching a Michael W. Smith concert:


"If you weren’t familiar with Michael W. Smith’s standing in the world of contemporary Christian music, you might attend one of his concerts and come out none the wiser." (The Birmingham News, Feb. 12, 1993 p. 5c)
After a albuhour performance, there is not even enough of God for the lost world to even know these "so-called CHRISTian stars" are Christians! What a pitiful excuse for a Christian! Shame on you Smith! These young people are looking at you for help and inspiration and you ol'backslidden-carnal-coward, you won't even mention the name of the ONLY HELP in this universe that can help them! Many of these young people are from broken homes, shattered lives, facing tremendous peer-pressure, begging for something REAL and you will not even mention the ONLY REAL HELP in the universe! Shame on you!

The Bible is very clear! A Christian should be separated from the world. Paul says in 2 Cor. 6, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, . . ." Ephesians 5:11 says, "And have NO FELLOWSHIP with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

These Christian stars not only fellowship with "the unfruitful works of darkness" but guess who produced and played on Michael W. Smith's album "I'll Lead You Home" — Patrick Leonard! In case you don't know who Patrick Leonard is, he's also the producer for the queen of **** — Madonna! Maybe Smith and Madonna can do a duet of Smith's Love Crusade "...let's get on the love crusade..."

As far as Christian sanctified living which the Bible commands, here's what Smith has to say:


". . .you’re always going to have those very very conservative people. They say you can’t do this; you can’t do that, . . . you can’t drink; you can’t smoke; . . . It’s a pretty bizarre way of thinking." Michael W. Smith (The Birmingham News, Feb. 1993, p.1B)
Hey, Smith — of the ten commandments — eight were "THOU SHALT NOT..."! But, why do you keep bringing up the Bible — what does that have to do with it?
 
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