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No problem PW, I have a nice shiny penny in my piggy bank.
That's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.I understand what you're saying... but I'm not sure trust is the issue. We don't need to trust people in order to love them and forgive them.
Thing is, we're all privy to the same information, so we're all making value "judgements". We all the see the fruits of every other person here. What we then need to choose is how we react. Either we can forgive or we can react in anger.
All I know is none of us will be harmed remotely compared to the Lord's betrayal and murder. But He forgave, for things *that* appalling. We have so much less to forgive. So much less.
That's too funny.Funny story: my oldest was whining about something and I gave him two quarters and said "go call someone who cares." He pockets the change, gets the cell phone and calls his grandma!
THIS IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE WHOLE CC PROBLEMThat's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.
If people were all honest and upfront, I don't think this would be happening.........I can disagree with someone, and I frequently do............but I don't go to other websites talking about them and stirring up trouble..........I'm all for sunlight and honesty........if people can't be HONEST with each other whats the point?? How is that Chrisitan behavior?
This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian forum.....a place for all Conservatives from differing practices to come together on Conservative issues............pretending that certain behavior from certain individuals is not going on (forgiving them) but not correcting their behavior only creates a bigger problem IMO......its like not correcting a child....we all know where that leads
Call a spade a spade and be done with it...........I just want to know who the spades are.....
Oh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meantThat's just it GM, we aren't all privy to the same info.
If people were all honest and upfront, I don't think this would be happening.........I can disagree with someone, and I frequently do............but I don't go to other websites talking about them and stirring up trouble..........I'm all for sunlight and honesty........if people can't be HONEST with each other whats the point?? How is that Chrisitan behavior?
This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian forum.....a place for all Conservatives from differing practices to come together on Conservative issues............pretending that certain behavior from certain individuals is not going on (forgiving them) but not correcting their behavior only creates a bigger problem IMO......its like not correcting a child....we all know where that leads
Call a spade a spade and be done with it...........I just want to know who the spades are.....
GM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.Oh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meant
We're called to hold one another accountable, for sure, but not at the expense of forgiveness.
The thing is, none of us are good enough to be able to castigate anyone else. That's what I realised. We've all hurt people and we've all been hurt. We're all struggling and trying our hardest.
Mostly, though, at the moment, am so angry with someone, and it feels like a lump of poison in my tummyThat anger that so many of us are feeling is just toxic. Primarily to ourselves. And it hurts God when we behave like this. Am hurting Him by being so cross at someone. The amount of anger in this forum at the moment must feel like acid to Him, and He deserves so much more than that. Ya know? I don't want us to carry on hurting Him
I can respect that ! Heck, I know that some feel I'm not even a real christian because of my faith....I don't let it deter me from trying to come together on core christian beliefs or actions we should take.....people are people, and we won't always agree.......what is needed is some old fashioned RESPECT........can't people just treat people with the dignity of a human being without resorting to ugly tactics and such??? This is what I'm trying to figure out in this forum right now. I'd rahter talk about it than sweep it under the rug and hide it........sheesh, you'd think we wern't capable of acting like adults or something........it's a shameTHIS IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE WHOLE CC PROBLEM
Worse Epiphany, we have been intimidated to fellowship with them and be fine with it.
Some of us know what goes on w/ them - I do, I've seen it for years. I have no trust, and this just lends proof to why I divide from these groups.
God doesn't tell us to SIT WITH everyone -- I won't be forced, intimidated or pushed to fellowship with some of these people.
And I'm tired of being told how "unloving" I am if I don't.
I decide for myself (THRU God's Spirit) who I fellowship & unite with. I will not be bullied thru intimidation to hug & embrace who they tell me I have to, OR ELSE i GET LABLED : MILITANT FUNDAMENTALIST.
which I am NOT.
GOD calls me to divide with certain groups he warns me of in my bible. That's called obedience.
This has been the problem - for weeks now. Many of us felt it and have been complaining.
Excellent post sister.GM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.
I can forgive easily - AND HAVE! But it in no way insinuates that I then have to go back and bring them into my trust again (not that I ever had any for some here to begin with) -- The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
I don't have to fellowship OR unite with people I forgave. Forgive means you release them from your contempt or offense. Nothing more.
Of course a person can go right back to fully trusting the other person - but it's not mandatory.
I understand that.......believe me, I deal with this kind of stuff in my own family........I know that gut wrenching feeling all too wellOh, sorry. I meant we all saw the post that was copied into here, and we all see the posts of people in CC. That's what I meant
We're called to hold one another accountable, for sure, but not at the expense of forgiveness.
The thing is, none of us are good enough to be able to castigate anyone else. That's what I realised. We've all hurt people and we've all been hurt. We're all struggling and trying our hardest.
Mostly, though, at the moment, am so angry with someone, and it feels like a lump of poison in my tummyThat anger that so many of us are feeling is just toxic. Primarily to ourselves. And it hurts God when we behave like this. Am hurting Him by being so cross at someone. The amount of anger in this forum at the moment must feel like acid to Him, and He deserves so much more than that. Ya know? I don't want us to carry on hurting Him
You're rightGM, you probly already know this, but you have to keep in mind that forgiving doesn't mean we're commanded to go back and unite or confide in them again.
I can forgive easily - AND HAVE! But it in no way insinuates that I then have to go back and bring them into my trust again (not that I ever had any for some here to begin with) -- The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
I don't have to fellowship OR unite with people I forgave. Forgive means you release them from your contempt or offense. Nothing more.
Of course a person can go right back to fully trusting the other person - but it's not mandatory.
Excellent post sister.
A great example of this would be the original intent of ecumenicalism. Sure we are united as brothers and sisters in Christ but that also does not imply we should be one in every aspect including theology and fellowship. The point is unite in the points we agree and remain peaceful in disagreements although not always toghether.
Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.See, it can work..........I agree with you....hahahaaaaaaa
Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.
I posted in the beginning........I've been quite ill, I've had some family issues to deal with as well.....I haven't been around much........but this doesn't seem to be the forum I remember.....Epiphany, I have never seen in you in CCC before. I would like to welcome you even at this time of tribulation. There is division in CCC as you have clearly noticed but I don't want that to disencourage you from getting involved here. We still have our fun threads but several others involve debates relating to potential resolutions to this schism.
I came home from work and see sad threads. I have come to conclusion that we don't practice GRACE in our lives. I will still fellowship and debate with my Christian brethren even though I may not agree with their beliefs. We cannot close our minds to everything that is happening around us. Grace is about loving other people that we have the freedom to do so but at the same time, respect how they practice their beliefs.
Good thing my Red Sox is playing tonight. I need a break from this.
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