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Im_A

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The vesper and confession service on Saturday is truly beautiful.

I'll admit myself, it made a lot sense to me when I actually went to a sat. and sun. vesper and liturgy service to understand why its only for those who have been baptized into the Orthodox Church. Makes perfect sense...in my opinion.
 
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Ok, I have a question (and I'm asking honestly, seriously and sincerely here)... would one die a quick death or a long, slow death as a result of "unworthy communion"?

[I ask because most, if not all, of my communion experiences would probably be considered "unworthy" seeing as though while I have been baptized, I've never really prepared by prayer, fasting and confession]
 
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I think it is a reference of taking communion with undealt sin and the punishment of that described in the Bible.

The liturgy and the liturgical confession is spiritual significant. So if one is to believe in the Bible and if one is to believe in the liturgical confession as what actually prepares one for communion spiritually because the church for the Orthodox is more than a gathering place for believers, than it makes sense why one would believe that there is such a thing as worthy vs. unworthy taking of communion. What that death is, all I could think is a metaphorical statement because people remain alive all the time so I don't think the speed of dieing can be applied here.

seashale may be able to explain it better than I can.
 
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I really don't want an argument, I just saw this very old thread where I had once posted. Because my views are now so different, I do feel sort of obligated to explain where I am now. It was not my intent to come on your turf and knock your beliefs. I don't know you, where you have communed, why, and in what state. I'm not here to judge you. I can only speak for myself and my own experiences.

That said, when one unworthily communes, it is to our judgment and condemnation. I've heard of people being sick for a long time. I've even heard of people saying that there was an invisible force keeping them from approaching the chalice. I know I've read other accounts, but I can hardly place them now. I can't personally verify any of it, so take it or leave it.

If I'm not prepared, I don't commune. It's better that way. If I'm not ready, then I'm not ready. If I were to visit any Orthodox Church I expect to get stopped and questioned before communing as to who my Bishop is, who's my priest, and what parish I'm a member of. It doesn't offend me. My priest will even write letters for parishoners who travel, which give the pertinent details so we can commune if questioned.

If people aren't submitted to the authority of my Church and don't believe the same things as we do, then why do you want to commune with us? I wouldn't dare presume to attempt to commune in another type of church when I'm not submitted to their authority or beliefs. The Orthodox Church consistently holds everyone (members or not) to the same standard.
 
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Out of curiosity... how many of us attend Churches with truly open communion tables...?

That is tables that are open to ALL (and the Church really means all)?

Open to all races, cultures, religions, creeds, sexual orientations, genders, etc. etc.
Ours is that open. We give a brief talk, a micro-sermon, on what communion is all about, and the importance of receiving it in the right spirit, and then we invite all who wish to come up and take communion to do so. No one is ever turned away.

But a word on the all creeds part: We do say that taking communion is a symbolic public declaration that you want to follow Christ and be considered a member of the Body of Christ, the universal invisible church.

Our pastors have issued warnings about the dangers of communing unworthily, but they've described that as not being mindful of the body and blood of Jesus (symbolically, that is - we aren't a "real presence" church) and what He did for us on the cross, and of not having love for the church (i.e., your fellow believers, not any institution). That's the big issue, not unrepented sin.
 
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Out of curiosity... how many of us attend Churches with truly open communion tables...?

That is tables that are open to ALL (and the Church really means all)?

Open to all races, cultures, religions, creeds, sexual orientations, genders, etc. etc.


My Church allows any and all to partake in communion regardless of the Name they choose to call the Holy Other (God).
 
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