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I would say as long as the spouses are OK with an open marriage then there is not problem with it.
As Paul said love doesn't hurt your neighbor or spouse in this case.
I don´t know a non-religious reason to call open marriage and/or polyamory wrong.
If there is not informed consent from all parties.
Yes, but I mean if all parties consent.
Because otherwise it's not an open marriage its just cheating. Which makes them a scumbag? I mean this isn't even that hard of a question. Outside of religion there really is no reason not to have an open marriage if thats what you and your spouse agree to.Why would it matter whether all parties consent?
Good question ... for which you've already gotten some good answers. I would add that the main purpose of marriage has always been the family and raising of children for future generations. Both traditional marriage and polygamous marriages have offered stable home environments. Loose sexual arrangements, not so much.Can you tell me why an open marriage is sin not using religious reasons?
Because otherwise it's not an open marriage its just cheating.
I mean this isn't even that hard of a question.
Outside of religion there really is no reason not to have an open marriage if thats what you and your spouse agree to.
Why would it matter whether all parties consent?
If both parties don't agree, then it is not an open marriage. It's just cheating.
I know why cheating would be wrong. It hurts another person. But if both of them agree, how is it harming them? That was my original question.
The difference has already been spelt out:A distinction without a difference?
Is that basically the same question as "Why does it matter whether someone agrees to whatever (having his things taken, having sex, being married....)?". I.e. does consent really not play a part in your ethics?Why does it matter whether the spouse agrees?
Good question ... for which you've already gotten some good answers. I would add that the main purpose of marriage has always been the family and raising of children for future generations. Both traditional marriage and polygamous marriages have offered stable home environments. Loose sexual arrangements, not so much.
Many things can and do go wrong in marriage because of lack of commitment between partners.
Open equates with a lack of commitment.
Whether or not one considers it a sin, it is a problem.
A distinction without a difference?
So answer it.
Why does it matter whether the spouse agrees?
Can you tell me why an open marriage is sin not using religious reasons? Two married couple who love each other and have no problem seeing other people: there's no jealousy, no animosity, no hatred, they just let each other be free. And they always use protection and gets tested.
I remember when I use to look at porn, there was a married guy on there; and I saw his interview with his wife and kids, and they were OK with what he did. In fact, she loved what he did. How is this wrong, not using religious reasons?
God’s original intention for humankind was a monogamous relationship of equals between one man and one woman, as depicted in the Old Testament creation stories (Gen. 1:27, for example, in which Adam and Eve are both ‘made in God’s image’ clearly implying that God regarded exploitation of one by the other as part of the fallen world and not integral to the order of creation).
As time progressed, the marriage of more than one woman to a single man (e.g. polygamy) arose.
But there never existed an express biblical permission for such a deviation from the ordinance of God made at the institution of marriage in the Garden of Eden (Gen 2:21–24).
The law of Moses censured those who violate God’s prescription of monogamous marriage
Christianity which forbids polygamists from becoming church elders.
....the bottom line is that monogamy was the old testament and is the new testament ideal; however, ancient polygamy (marriage between one man and more than one woman) was regulated rather than condemned.
On an individual basis, there are indeed a few who defy the statistics.Plenty of children are raised in stable homes where the parents aren't married at all.
While plenty of children are also raised in unstable, unhappy homes where the parents ARE married.
You seem to be making my point about commitment. I absolutely agree with you here. Marriage is just a piece of paper unless the partners are committed to each other and to the family.Marriage is just a piece of paper and irrelevant to how people interact with eachother.
Perhaps we have only a little disagreement here. As a side note, I suspect that getting government out of the marriage business would be a good thing.Replace "marriage" with "relationship" and I'll agree.
LOL, I'm not sure how disagreement is even possible. "Open", by its very definition, conveys a lack of commitment. "Open" ensures that when the going gets tough one has other options readily available with which to bail out of the relationship.I completely disagree with that.
Personally, I couldn't engage in such a relationship. But that's me.
OK.I can't speak for others. I actually know a couple that is in such an open relationship. They have children and have been together for many years and are very happy and take good care of their children and eachother. They also go to swing clubs. For them, having sex is very much like a hobby. Like I play the drums.
Pregnancy, uncertainty about which kids were fathered by whom, disease, jealously.There really is no lack of commitment between them.
Commitment and intimmacy is much more then just sex. What really matters is mutual respect and consent. If both are fine with it (REALLY fine with it, and not just saying so...), what is the problem?
Statistically, it seems to be a problem.Clearly, it's not always a problem.
Call me skeptical.Most members of swing clubs are happily married couples.
I sort of think marriage is for raising children. Two becomes one flesh means kids. Least they ought to raise the kid a little while. Why start married when kids goes up? What's wrong with man producing more kids with other women? I think marriage is more for having kids. That's why gay marriage is totally useless
And because spouses agreeing is part of an open marriage. Its not just hey I wanna nail that blonde over there, so I will and then just say 'it's k open marriage'. No and open marriage is two consenting adults who choose to add variety to their life.
I tried making sense to you, but then I saw your posts farther down. Youre either a troll or just incapable of understanding something this simple.
The difference has already been spelt out:
It´s the difference betweeen consent and non-consent.
It´s the difference between keeping agreements and breaching them.
It`s the difference between being honest and dishonest.
Is that basically the same question as "Why does it matter whether someone agrees to whatever (having his things taken, having sex, being married....)?".
I.e. does consent really not play a part in your ethics?
Or is it an argument from the position: "If one particular moral stance I hold is questioned, I am going to immediately argue for nihilism and anarchy altogether?"
Do you not acknowledge that there is a significant ethical difference between e.g. forced marriage and consensual marriage? Do you not acknowledge that there is a difference between forced sex and consensual sex? Do you not agree that there is a difference between giving something as a gift and it being stolen from you?
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