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An Interesting Situation

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I recently got a job after being unemployed for a year. In my training class, there are two people who play into this situation. There is him (we'll call him F). There is also her (we'll call her B). Both are about the same age, which is a little younger than my twenty-seven years.

From Day 1, I had a crush on B. Seeing as how I have a penchant for getting crushes at the drop of a hat, I figured it wouldn't go anywhere and it was nothing to get excited about. Normally, I just let those things sort of float by and I go on with life. Also, since F followed her around on breaks and whatnot, I figured they were a couple.

I came to find out that F has a girlfriend, and B recently broke up with her boyfriend (because he was being a jackwagon). Despite the fact that F has said in casual group conversations that "everything is okay with his girlfriend" (in a content tone), he seems to follow B around like a wounded puppy, in some ways.

B doesn't seem to notice F following her around, but then again, I also tend to follow her (though unintentionally; we just usually end up in the same places at the same time). Since we met just over two weeks ago, B has gone to dinner with me at the lower level of our work building, in addition to making me Oreo balls for my birthday (she made some for our work potluck, but set twenty or so aside just for me).

Tonight, F picked B up to take her to an open-mic night at a local place. B texted me and said that I was welcome to come, since F "forgot" to invite me. It was a last minute ordeal, but I gladly accepted and had fun hanging out with them.

The problem is that F has consistently made sure to stand between B and I during group conversations. He also had a very pointed, irritated look on his face at one point tonight, staring straight at me. He also held that look for quite some time, almost as if he was staring me down. Yet, in conversation, he's been nothing but civil and everything I would expect from a friend.

So I'm confused. I don't think B has a thing for me; she's mentioned that several guys are after her, and she's at the point of telling them to bugger off. I got the impression that those guys were family friends that she views more as brothers. As far as F goes, I don't know what his deal is; he apparently didn't invite his girlfriend to the event tonight (where he was performing a three song set).

I'm going to wait until F says something pointed; he'll basically have to corner me and tell me how he really feels. I may very well present that opportunity for him, just so he'll get it out of his system and I'll know which page he thinks we're on. As far as B, she seems to be very friendly, but she doesn't strike me as having a crush on me (though if she did, that would literally be a first and it would be very, very, very odd for me).

As far as B goes, I think I'll just wait until we've known each other several months. If we've gotten past surface conversation and she starts showing interest, then I'll ask her on a bona fide date. If not, then at least I'll have her as a friend (though it would sting a bit to see her with someone else).

So yeah...thoughts?
 

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The problem is that F has consistently made sure to stand between B and I during group conversations. He also had a very pointed, irritated look on his face at one point tonight, staring straight at me. He also held that look for quite some time, almost as if he was staring me down.

I don't like that, I wish his girlfriend knew he was acting like this around that girl.
 
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I don't like that, I wish his girlfriend knew he was acting like this around that girl.

Yeah, I'm not sure what his deal is. The only reason I would give a guy that look while I'm dating someone else is if the guy seems dangerous to me and he's pursuing a friend or family member that's close to me. That's why I'm keen on allowing F an opportunity to approach me with how he really feels. It'll give him a chance to explain what's on his mind; then I'll know if he's pursuing B or just trying to look out for her safety.
 
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Well given that this guy isn't a friend or family member of this young woman but he's staring her 'prospects' down, and is following her everywhere - and not inviting his girlfriend along - what does your gut say about that?

My gut has a penchant for unreasonable jealousy, so my gut says he's a world-class jackwagon that needs his ego stomped into the curb. But then again, that wouldn't make me much better than him. So, I'm resisting the urge to jump the shark and tell him off until I've got a better idea of what's going on.

The fact he didn't invite his girlfriend along strikes me as a red flag, in the context of everything else between F and B; he's been giving her rides to work just because of her schedule conflicts with her family's schedule and the fact that they live in the same apartment complex (in adjacent buildings).

If B ends up dating him, then I'll know she's not the woman I thought she was. If F ends up breaking things off with his girlfriend to pursue B, then I'll know where we stand. If F tries to pursue B blatantly while he's still with his girlfriend, I'll take issue with that and make sure B knows what's up.

Until then, I'd really like to get F's opinion on things from his own mouth.
 
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It sounds to me like F has a thing for B, and is trying to sneak around his girlfriend's back. Maybe he sees B as a better option than his current girlfriend and is going to keep his relationship going until he's sure that B is interested in him. He's likely sensed that you've got a bit of a crush on her and is now feeling like what he sees as his territory being threatened. It seems like he'd like to have a way to cut you out of the picture but he knows he can't say anything without looking like a complete tool because he has a girlfriend. Basically he sounds like a guy that is up to no good and hopefully B is smart enough to see through him.

As for you and B, I think you are taking the right approach. Take things slowly with her and get to know her better. More than likely she's not interested in a relationship right now.

I think that B sees both of you as friends from work. She may have even invited you to join that night because she was uncomfortable being with F alone because she senses what he's up to. I wouldn't read too much into anything that has happened with her so far. I don't think she's done anything to show a crush from what you've said.

So yeah, keep on as you are doing. Get to know her better, and give her some time to get over the relationship she's just gotten out of. I would probably keep an eye on F myself because he seems like he might have some pretty dishonorable intentions. The way he's acting towards his current girlfriend is quite disgraceful and if he's treating her like that, what's to say he won't do the same to B if he does end up dating her and then sees someone he thinks might be better.
 
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Cease to care. They'll either get together or they won't. If they do, and they sabotage their relationship because they're coworkers, it's on them. It's the price they'll have to pay for poor judgment. It's not worth acting in a way that might make you look like an unprofessional creep. You have a new job, and you need to be smarter than that, building up your own reputation in the company.
 
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Cease to care. They'll either get together or they won't. If they do, and they sabotage their relationship because they're coworkers, it's on them. It's the price they'll have to pay for poor judgment. It's not worth acting in a way that might make you look like an unprofessional creep. You have a new job, and you need to be smarter than that, building up your own reputation in the company.

That's sort of the approach I'm taking, minus the complete lack of caring. I still care; I can't hide that fact nor turn it off. It is what it is. What I can control are my actions. If B gets together with F, then I'll know what kind of woman she is, and I will be able to not care about her at that point.

Right now I don't think I'm in a position where I'll be setting myself up for complete "heart failure." I'm already somewhat invested by the mere fact I have any feelings for her at all. She's not one to suffer fools from the previous experiences she's told me about, so I think she might see F for what he is.

B did mention that she's essentially "off the market," as it were, right now. That's fine by me; I'm having fun just getting to know her. Thus, F and I are in the same boat if he is pursuing her. She won't be choosing either one of us any time soon. Given that F is already in a relationship and would have to pull a jerk move to be in a position to date B (and would have to pull it without letting B know), I think he's pretty much inconsequential. That's not to say that she'll choose me; I'm far from perfect.

I would like to hang out with B for dinner at least once a week when I start getting a regular paycheck. When I mentioned I was thinking of going there for dinner last week, she said, "Let me know and I'll join you." So I thought that was pretty cool (I didn't even have to go through the awkwardness of having to ask her to dinner -- SCORE!). If we make it a regular thing, then I think we'll be able to open up to one another in ways we choose not to in the public group of co-workers.

She did start to open up to me tonight during a side conversation. Apparently she had some painful experiences in high school (and I'm not talking about typical high school drama). That's when I started getting dirty looks from F, and it seemed like he tried to jump in that conversation pretty quick. The disclaimer to that is that I had a rum and coke in me at that point, and my jealous defenses were up due to the dirty glare.

Thus, I'm still confused on what reality was and what I was just misconstruing by my own emotional filter.
 
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Depending on your job, work place romances are dreadful ideas. Maybe its different where you work though.

I would be straight up with F. Call him on that you are seeing his interest in B and ask if there is anything going on because you would be interested in a shot with her. He may either fess up, have a really good explanation or turn coward and deny everything. Either way, you were honest with him and didn't play games or wait around for nothing.

What it should come down to is stop all these silly games. Stop competing with F. Don't try and play B like a video game and maneuver her into liking you. Either she does and will get interested or you are walking yourself in a great friend-zoned story.
 
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Depending on your job, work place romances are dreadful ideas. Maybe its different where you work though.

I would be straight up with F. Call him on that you are seeing his interest in B and ask if there is anything going on because you would be interested in a shot with her. He may either fess up, have a really good explanation or turn coward and deny everything. Either way, you were honest with him and didn't play games or wait around for nothing.

What it should come down to is stop all these silly games. Stop competing with F. Don't try and play B like a video game and maneuver her into liking you. Either she does and will get interested or you are walking yourself in a great friend-zoned story.

I'm normally opposed to workplace romances, though I'm more opposed to missing out on what could potentially be the greatest person in my life.

Where did I say that I was going to try and play B like a video game? I'm not maneuvering her into anything; she's a grown woman who can make her own choices. I don't play games. All I've stated are observations, and I've theorized how I might react to the actions of others.

As far as her interest, she's more than welcome to friend zone me or choose a relationship with me. I'm not trying to compete with F. All I'm doing is observing his behavior and wondering how I should react to it. I despise games, especially when folks' emotions are at stake. That's why I'm somewhat annoyed with him; it seems like he's trying to play games with B and me.
 
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its also possible that you may be reading into the situation and seeing things that aren't there to assess whether or not you may have competition. Just as possible you're not. I'm just throwing it out there in case...

I'd ignore it. If it ever progresses beyond looks he may be giving you to threatening words, etc... then its time to respond. Talk to him, talk to her, talk to higherups if it is warranted. but right now you're still the new guy trying to fit into a new environment, you don't need to worry about getting pulled into workplace drama.
 
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its also possible that you may be reading into the situation and seeing things that aren't there to assess whether or not you may have competition. Just as possible you're not. I'm just throwing it out there in case...

I'd ignore it. If it ever progresses beyond looks he may be giving you to threatening words, etc... then its time to respond. Talk to him, talk to her, talk to higherups if it is warranted. but right now you're still the new guy trying to fit into a new environment, you don't need to worry about getting pulled into workplace drama.

That's possible, and is the main reason I'm not throwing accusations around. I want to avoid drama if at all possible, so for right now I'm going to focus on getting to know B more.
 
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First off, F really seems like a bag of douche.

Secondly, others have said this as well, it's clear B doesn't really feel comfortable being around F alone. If I was a girl, I would feel the same way. Clearly, there is at least some base with B. I would focus on getting to know B more and looking for those cues.
 
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There's always that part of me that thinks I'm just misreading F's body language, so until he tells me how he really feels, I think I'll probably just do my best to ignore those things I think I'm seeing. Of course, if B says something about being uncomfortable around him, depending on what kinds of things she says, I might offer to say something to F.
 
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I don't like that setup at all. Knowing myself, I would probably withdraw and watch from afar. Then again, that's just me and I'm odd like that. :sorry: I guess I'm not much help with stuff like this.

That would be my normal M.O., and in some ways that's what I'm doing (with the caveat that I'm still going to talk with B instead of just cutting off all communication like I usually do when I perceive any competition).
 
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That would be my normal M.O., and in some ways that's what I'm doing (with the caveat that I'm still going to talk with B instead of just cutting off all communication like I usually do when I perceive any competition).

I'm terrible with competition, especially with guys. :o It does seem like you have a good chance though! :)
 
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I'm terrible with competition, especially with guys. :o It does seem like you have a good chance though! :)

I hate competition, simply because it does make it all seem like a game (and I hate making a woman "the goal," because that's far too much like "getting to XYZ base"). However, I'm finding that there will always be someone else to compete with, but the trick is to be myself and let the cards fall where they will.
 
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Hmm...Well the picture that I see in my head is as follows. Tell me if I'm wrong.

F-Has a girl, but is following B
B-Broke up with boyfriend so she single, but being followed like a piece of meat.
and you like B.

1. F has no business with B because he has a girl.
2. B seems to be very very pretty if she has a lot of suiters after her.
3. Yeah it's bothering you cause you a tiny bit jealous. So what to do?
hmm... Does B know that F has a girlfriend? :ebil: muahaha...

It's rough when it's a workplace thing because if you tell her how you feel and she doesn't crush back...umm... it will hurt to even go to work and see her. I don't know. I would feel as stuck as you now that I think about it. Maybe wait it out and see what happens. Just continue being her friend for now.
 
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There's always that part of me that thinks I'm just misreading F's body language, so until he tells me how he really feels, I think I'll probably just do my best to ignore those things I think I'm seeing. Of course, if B says something about being uncomfortable around him, depending on what kinds of things she says, I might offer to say something to F.
Do you honestly see this guy telling you how he feels?

I personally would cut loose from that situation. It's not worth the drama. *shrug*
 
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