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What exactly concerning creationism do you disagree with?I don't question God's hand in creation. I question the theory of creationism. 2 different things. If you want a neat label, I suppose you can call me a "theological evolutionist", although that, too, is a somewhat loaded term, and as such doesn't really represent my position.
The parts that contradict observable objective evidence.What exactly concerning creationism do you disagree with?
Nothing wrong with that approach unless the evidence demands that we view Jesus as either delusional or a liar.The parts that contradict observable objective evidence.
I'm unaware of any such evidence.Nothing wrong with that approach unless the evidence demands that view Jesus as either delusional or a liar.
The point is, arguments about abiogenesis do not support the "theory" of intelligent design.I never claimed that abiogenesis is synonymous with evolution.
Some theistic evolutionists accept abiogenesis as being guided by an intelligent designer.The point is, arguments about abiogenesis do not support the "theory" of intelligent design.
Good for them. Is there any evidence of that?Some theistic evolutionists accept abiogenesis as being guided by an intelligent designer.
Some theistic evolutionists accept abiogenesis as being guided by an intelligent designer.
Indeed, I would suggest the ability to design and imbue life with those designed qualities from scratch is a fairly good qualifier for godhood.What else would/could it be?
Since I don't make that claim you would need to ask them.
Really? We can already give life forms custom traits we desire, and we'll soon be able to design life forms from scratch with whatever traits we want - Craig Venter has already assembled a minimal bacterial genome and got it freely reproducing in the lab - it's only a question of adding in the genes we want. I don't think it'll make us 'gods' though.Indeed, I would suggest the ability to design and imbue life with those designed qualities from scratch is a fairly good qualifier for godhood.
Others might suggest extra-dimensional beings using extra dimensional technology.Indeed, I would suggest the ability to design and imbue life with those designed qualities from scratch is a fairly good qualifier for godhood.
That cutting and pasting extant genes wasn't really what I had in mind.Really? We can already give life forms custom traits we desire, and we'll soon be able to design life forms from scratch with whatever traits we want - Craig Venter has already assembled a minimal bacterial genome and got it freely reproducing in the lab - it's only a question of adding in the genes we want. I don't think it'll make us 'gods' though.
What's the difference between those and gods?Others might suggest extra-dimensional beings using extra dimensional technology.
Or alternate universe beings using their technology to tamper with other universes.
Or aliens who prepared the Earth and seeded our earth with life as in the film 2001 Space Odyssey. So the conclusion of God isn't necessary from the ID viewpoint as you seem to insist.
All ID proposes is intelligent design.
What's the difference between those and gods?
Further, you think that abiogenesis is problematic because it can't be fully explained (yet) but your fine with a theory that rests on "extra-dimensional beings using extra dimensional technology."?
"Intelligent design" can't be replicated in a lab, either. So why postulate it as happening to begin with?I never claimed that ID postulates those beings. I clearly said that it postulates intelligent design. YOU asked what other than a God or god could ever be imagined as being an intelligent designer. I mentioned those as alternatives which non theists might imagine. I did not say that ID postulates them.
I never claimed that I find abiogenesis is problematic simply because it cannot be explained. I said that it isn't evident in nature and can't be made to happen in a lab. So why postulate it as happening to begin with?
I never claimed that ID postulates those beings. I clearly said that it postulates intelligent design. YOU asked what other than a God or god could ever be imagined as being an intelligent designer. I mentioned those as alternatives which non theists might imagine. I did not say that ID postulates them.
I never claimed that I find abiogenesis is problematic simply because it cannot be explained. I said that it isn't evident in nature and can't be made to happen in a lab.
So why postulate it as happening to begin with?
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