An example of the Biden/Harris real threat to Democracy

[Always in His Presence]

Supreme Court strikes down Biden student-loan forgiveness program

This article was updated on June 30 at 4:00 p.m. By a vote of 6-3, the justices ruled that the Biden administration overstepped its authority last year when it announced […]

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Having determined that Missouri (and therefore the rest of the states) had a right to challenge the debt-relief program, the court then turned to the heart of the case – whether the debt-relief program complies with federal law. Here the court agreed with the challengers that it did not. The HEROES Act, Roberts emphasized, gives the secretary of education the power to “waive or modify” laws and regulations governing the student-loan programs. Congress’s use of the word “modify” means that the Biden administration can make “modest adjustments and additions to existing provisions,” Roberts wrote, “not transform them.”​

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But the debt-relief program, Roberts stressed, instead “created a novel and fundamentally different loan forgiveness program.” The plan “modifies” student-loan laws and regulations, Roberts suggested, “only in the same sense that the French Revolution ‘modified’ the status of the French nobility — it has abolished them and supplanted them with a new regime entirely.”​

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The Supreme court has ruled the Biden/Harris debt forgiveness is NOT constitutional back in June of 2023

Yet Biden/Harris continue to take the issue to court after court - being denied every time. Is the Executive Branch following the ruling of the Supreme Court as dictated by the Constitution?

Absolutely not - in defiance of the Court - they continue the effort to buy votes.

 

[Fantine]

And so Biden, after his student loan forgiveness program had been overruled by the Supreme Court, directed his constitutional experts to see if there were some way that a smaller number of students could receive debt relief, based on previous rulings and regulations.

Certainly, Biden is not alone in doubting Supreme Court rulings, given the lavish perks, trips, homes, and motor homes that some justices have received, given to them by billionaires who wanted to buy influence .

Objectivity is hard. Objectivity requires discipline--and detachment.

Betsy DeVos, for example, had a financial interest in a student loan company. Could that have been one of the reasons why she acted as she did?

https://apnews.com/article/business-betsy-devos-student-loans-education-9c10dabc6ca24b68bc69543a54c78686

Similarly, it could be hard for Justice Thomas to understand the plight of students buried in debt when his grandnephew went to a $72,000 a year school paid for by his billionaire "friend."

 

[Aldebaran]

And so Biden, after his student loan forgiveness program had been overruled by the Supreme Court, directed his constitutional experts to see if there were some way that a smaller number of students could receive debt relief, based on previous rulings and regulations.

Certainly, Biden is not alone in doubting Supreme Court rulings, given the lavish perks, trips, homes, and motor homes that some justices have received, given to them by billionaires who wanted to buy influence .

Objectivity is hard. Objectivity requires discipline--and detachment.

Betsy DeVos, for example, had a financial interest in a student loan company. Could that have been one of the reasons why she acted as she did?

https://apnews.com/article/business-betsy-devos-student-loans-education-9c10dabc6ca24b68bc69543a54c78686

Similarly, it could be hard for Justice Thomas to understand the plight of students buried in debt when his grandnephew went to a $72,000 a year school paid for by his billionaire "friend."

So if you don't like the judge, you ignore his ruling? Is that what is considered "rule of law" now?

 

[Fantine]

Are you telling me that you DO approve of judges who get hundreds of thousands of dollars in lavish perks and trips from influential billionaires---that you approve of the Court arrogantly refusing to police itself and sanction judges who accept these lavish, costly perks--and sanction judges who put political symbols (upside down flags) on their homes, especially when those symbols are associated with domestic terrorism and insurrection?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Are you telling me that you DO approve of judges who get hundreds of thousands of dollars in lavish perks and trips from influential billionaires---that you approve of the Court arrogantly refusing to police itself and sanction judges who accept these lavish, costly perks--and sanction judges who put political symbols (upside down flags) on their homes, especially when those symbols are associated with domestic terrorism and insurrection?

Your abject animosity and bias of Judge Thomas has zero to do with the established fact that the Court. 6 to 3. Said he did not have the right to forgive debt and Biden/Harris ignored them and continued to try to buy votes.

 

[Aldebaran]

Are you telling me that you DO approve of judges who get hundreds of thousands of dollars in lavish perks and trips from influential billionaires---that you approve of the Court arrogantly refusing to police itself and sanction judges who accept these lavish, costly perks--and sanction judges who put political symbols (upside down flags) on their homes, especially when those symbols are associated with domestic terrorism and insurrection?

Are you telling me that it's ok to ignore the ruling of any court decision (even the Supreme Court) if you don't like the judge (or even a few of them)?
Maybe Trump should try that. If he doesn't like Judge Merchan, he should just ignore his sentencing.

 

[Yttrium]

Yet Biden/Harris continue to take the issue to court after court - being denied every time. Is the Executive Branch following the ruling of the Supreme Court as dictated by the Constitution?

Nope. This is a continuing issue I have against the Biden administration. I can certainly understand Biden's desire to help out students who are burdened by large amounts of debt, but he can't just bypass congress like that.

If the students are going to be bailed out, it needs to come from Congress, and it needs to be paid for. But I would much prefer to see a significant reduction in student costs, so they don't rack up such huge debts in the first place.

 

[Fantine]

Are you telling me that it's ok to ignore the ruling of any court decision (even the Supreme Court) if you don't like the judge (or even a few of them)?
Maybe Trump should try that. If he doesn't like Judge Merchan, he should just ignore his sentencing.

There is a difference between dislike and corruption at a monetary level never seen on the Court, and political partisanship so blatant it even supported the insurrection.

Everyone should be appalled, even those who like his decisions.

 

[KCfromNC]

The Supreme court has ruled the Biden/Harris debt forgiveness is NOT constitutional back in June of 2023

Yet Biden/Harris continue to take the issue to court after court - being denied every time. Is the Executive Branch following the ruling of the Supreme Court as dictated by the Constitution?

Before posting additional examples, I just want to be sure : is the argument that any president who uses an executive order after a previous one on the topic has been struck down by the courts a "threat to democracy"?

 

[Always in His Presence]

There is a difference between dislike and corruption at a monetary level never seen on the Court, and political partisanship so blatant it even supported the insurrection.

Everyone should be appalled, even those who like his decisions.

We are a nation of laws.

Justice Thomas is one of nine justices, six of who said the Biden/Harris Administration is overstepping their authority.

Because you have issues with one of the nine justices, it doesn’t negate the ruling of the Court.

Your issue has ZERO to do with the checks and balances established by the Constitution that the Biden/Harris Administration is blatantly ignoring.

It is an in your face attack on Democracy.

 

[Larniavc]

Supreme Court strikes down Biden student-loan forgiveness program

This article was updated on June 30 at 4:00 p.m. By a vote of 6-3, the justices ruled that the Biden administration overstepped its authority last year when it announced […]

www.scotusblog.com

Having determined that Missouri (and therefore the rest of the states) had a right to challenge the debt-relief program, the court then turned to the heart of the case – whether the debt-relief program complies with federal law. Here the court agreed with the challengers that it did not. The HEROES Act, Roberts emphasized, gives the secretary of education the power to “waive or modify” laws and regulations governing the student-loan programs. Congress’s use of the word “modify” means that the Biden administration can make “modest adjustments and additions to existing provisions,” Roberts wrote, “not transform them.”​

​

But the debt-relief program, Roberts stressed, instead “created a novel and fundamentally different loan forgiveness program.” The plan “modifies” student-loan laws and regulations, Roberts suggested, “only in the same sense that the French Revolution ‘modified’ the status of the French nobility — it has abolished them and supplanted them with a new regime entirely.”​

​

The Supreme court has ruled the Biden/Harris debt forgiveness is NOT constitutional back in June of 2023

Yet Biden/Harris continue to take the issue to court after court - being denied every time. Is the Executive Branch following the ruling of the Supreme Court as dictated by the Constitution?

Absolutely not - in defiance of the Court - they continue the effort to buy votes.

The America Supreme Court is a world wide joke. More than one judge is compromised and should be disbarred.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The America Supreme Court is a world wide joke. More than one judge is compromised and should be disbarred.

You should start a thread on that.

This thread is about how the Biden/Harris administration is a demonstrable threat to Democracy

 

[Francis 1928]

And so Biden, after his student loan forgiveness program had been overruled by the Supreme Court, directed his constitutional experts to see if there were some way that a smaller number of students could receive debt relief, based on previous rulings and regulations.

Certainly, Biden is not alone in doubting Supreme Court rulings, given the lavish perks, trips, homes, and motor homes that some justices have received, given to them by billionaires who wanted to buy influence .

Objectivity is hard. Objectivity requires discipline--and detachment.

Betsy DeVos, for example, had a financial interest in a student loan company. Could that have been one of the reasons why she acted as she did?

https://apnews.com/article/business-betsy-devos-student-loans-education-9c10dabc6ca24b68bc69543a54c78686

Similarly, it could be hard for Justice Thomas to understand the plight of students buried in debt when his grandnephew went to a $72,000 a year school paid for by his billionaire "friend."

I as a blue collar working tax payer ,dont support that student forgiveness plan,because I dont want my tax dollars going to a bunch of kids ,being indoctrinated by their professors .There are many degrees that bare fruit .Their degrees would be paid off rather quickly .They are picking degrees that dont bare fruit .Teaching degrees dont pay off .It takes them decades to pay that off ,if they pay it off at all. Now professors probably make alot more money ,but teachers in general dont make enough in my opinion ,to pay off a student loan .Ide rather our tax dollers go to our vets or our military than going to student loans.

 

[Yttrium]

This thread is about how the Biden/Harris administration is a demonstrable threat to Democracy

You know, most people aren't going to take you very seriously when your "threat to democracy" is the president trying to help people pay off crippling student loans. It might be a bit better if you called it something more appropriate, like a "threat to the Constitution" or something. It's really hard to see how democracy would be threatened by this.

I mean, most people are fairly empathic and would probably want to help out the students in some way. It's just that throwing government money at the problem isn't a great idea.

 

[comana]

I as a blue collar working tax payer ,dont support that student forgiveness plan,because I dont want my tax dollars going to a bunch of kids ,being indoctrinated by their professors .There are many degrees that bare fruit .Their degrees would be paid off rather quickly .They are picking degrees that dont bare fruit .Teaching degrees dont pay off .It takes them decades to pay that off ,if they pay it off at all. Now professors probably make alot more money ,but teachers in general dont make enough in my opinion ,to pay off a student loan .Ide rather our tax dollers go to our vets or our military than going to student loans.

We still need teachers. We either need to pay them more or pay for their education.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You know, most people aren't going to take you very seriously when your "threat to democracy" is the president trying to help people pay off crippling student loans. It might be a bit better if you called it something more appropriate, like a "threat to the Constitution" or something. It's really hard to see how democracy would be threatened by this.

A threat to the Constitution is a threat to Democracy - they are synonymous. The Executive Branch is ONE third of our government - they do not have the authority to overrule the Supreme Court's decisions - that is what Authoritarians do - which is the opposite of Democracy.

I mean, most people are fairly empathic and would probably want to help out the students in some way. It's just that throwing government money at the problem isn't a great idea.

Biden/Harris do not have the Authority to 'throw government money" at anything - the separation of powers in our Constitution gives that power to congress. The Biden/Harris Administration in trying to buy the vote is circumventing their authority also.

Someone has to reign them in. And that is the Supreme Court that they are attempting to circumvent.

 

[Always in His Presence]

We still need teachers. We either need to pay them more or pay for their education.

We also need:

First Responders, Fire Fighters, Police officers, etc.

Do we need to pay for their education also?

and what does any of that have to do with the Biden/Harris Administration's attempt to bypass Congress and the Supreme Court to buy votes?

 

[comana]

We also need:

First Responders, Fire Fighters, Police officers, etc.

Do we need to pay for their education also?

and what does any of that have to do with the Biden/Harris Administration's attempt to bypass Congress and the Supreme Court to buy votes?

Yes, pay to educate them all. It has to do with using executive too continue to try and do something beneficial for the education of our people.

 

[Francis 1928]

We still need teachers. We either need to pay them more or pay for their education.

Not on our tax dollars .They get payed 12 months but work 10. Many of them get a side job, during that time.Whether we need teachers or not, its a choice they make to become teachers ,knowing that it doesnt bare financial fruit .

 

[Francis 1928]

Yes, pay to educate them all. It has to do with using executive too continue to try and do something beneficial for the education of our people.

Not on our tax payer dime