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The Law kills only that which needs to be killed and that's the old sinful man of pride and self righteousness.
 
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Oh my, look at the ugly picture you painted on a Biblical author inspired to write the word "rubbish" in his description concerning his own motions according to the Law!
 
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Exactly.
 
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You say the Law is bad without even realizing it. This is called delusion and deception. Only God can help you, if you want to be helped. First you need to see where you're wrong so God can teach you what is right.
Upon seeing no evidence you are bearing false witness and condemning another without just cause. We all know about the accuser of the brethren. The very law you claim to keep condemns you. Misery loves company. I do not like misery and refuse to keep company with it.
 
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Does not seem to be doing a very good job from my vantage point. Could you explain why?
You're not going to get an explanation. He glossed over the narrative completely with a retort to reject Scripture and replace it with an unsupportable opinion.
 
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John 4 says that salvation is FROM the Jews, not that it is FOR the Jews or TO the Jews. It's true, since our Savior is of the Tribe of Judah. Besides, how many time do we see "first the Jews, then the gentiles"? There is a clear contrast.

Romans 9 reiterates Gods favor on Israel and reiterates Christ's origin. Read the previous verse, though... Paul wishes he could be cut off from Christ for the sake of the Israelites, whom he calls his kinsmen according to the flesh ( not the Spirit).

The things clear in your mind aren't so in that of others. That doesn't mean I don't seek the truth. I know you think that of me. I could make the same observation in my eyes regarding legalists. That doesn't further anything. The shadow of things to come "clearly" reflects the Law being a tutor to lead us to God as shown in Galatians 3.

I await your post about the ten.

Jesus Himself said fulfill, and rejected abolish, so I do the same. I hold that fulfilled means different than removed, and have tried to explain that. If I try to fulfill myself requirements already fulfilled for me by Christ, I am basically saying Christ came for no reason.
Regardless, how do you hold that this issue of fulfillment and "not passing away" applies to the ten commandments and not the Mosaic Law?
The context of Matthew 5 is both the Mosaic Law and the teachings of the Prophets. However you have said there is no requirement to keep all of those to the letter. How do you reconcile that?
 
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The pattern emerging is your admission of error three times in a row.

Like I said to you and many others here on this forum. If you love God His commandments won't be a burden whether we keep them perfectly or not. One day we will but until then seek to be like Christ. Jesus teaches us to obey His Father. Take from that what you want. Deny, accuse me of sin but know this, everyone will give an account to God for what they did with what God gave them.
 
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Agreed, except we disagree what His commandments to gentile Christians are and whether requiring the keeping of Jewish law is putting God to the test. As you said to others, you can accuse me of sin, but you also will give an account.
 
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That's a very convenient 'out' you give yourself, by reducing Gods standard to something less than perfection. To something you think you can manage. It's how you can continue to feel as though you are succeeding where God says you are failing. But there is only One 'out' that God gives us, that being Jesus Christ....and the righteous are those who live by faith in Him.
 
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This can't be reconciled with God's deliverance from the Law specified as the Ten Commandments. You already conceded this a fait accompli by God's decree earlier today. What you're calling God's commandments is a covenant you were never given, and you can't support your contention to abandon God's redemption in Jesus Christ to revert to the covenant from Mount Sinai He commanded us to cast off.
 
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Walking in the way of the law is not walking in the way of salvation.
Walking in the way of serving God alone as the law says is not walking in salvation. *Staff edit*
 
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The Question is about the ten Commandments and why it should be seen as separate from the rest of the law.
God had Moses as His servant and he was more than just a prophet. Num. 12:
6And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Yet God did not allow Moses to speak or write the Ten commandments. #1 conclusion, it was too important to God even to give to His trusted servant. Too Holy, Too sacred.

God came down and called for the building of the sanctuary which was a pattern of what God showed Moses. Ex 25:
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
What we will now focus on is the ark. God stated: Ex 25:
16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
The question is what is the testimony? Ex 31:
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Ex 25:
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Note the arrangement: The ark with the Ten commandments inside is under the mercy seat, which is the throne of God, where God would meet them. Please note how God handled The ten commandments and where it is placed also continue to remember all of this is a pattern of what God showed Moses. Where is the Pattern or the original? Next!

Can't make it too long.
 
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Continued from Post #279.
The Original, Where is it? Hebrews 8:Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Here is also another revelation. Not only are we told that the original Sanctuary is in Heaven but it is revealed to us that the earth sanctuary and it services were a "shadow" of all that Christ is doing and has done to save us.

Notice the throne in Heaven and the tabernacle. Now if there is that the earthly was exactly a copy of what is in Heaven then there should also be the "Ark of the testimony" under the throne. It can not be the ark of the testimony if it does not have the testimony/ten commandments in it.

Are we told that there is one in Heaven? OH YES! Not once but twice!

Rev 11:19 and 15:5
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and 5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
The Ten commandments is so dear and important to God that there are part of His throne, He sit on them, to get to them you have to move God. My question therefore is. who moved God to remove or nullify His law His throne???? Therefore new meaning is given to Jesus' words: Mat 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
You literally have to move heaven to move God Holy Ten commandment law!
Above all understand also that the other laws were not afforded the same status! NOT AT ALL!! God showed a difference in the handling of the Ten and the other laws not Adventist or any other.
Blessings to you all.
 
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