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Yeah, pretty much. I was the youngest so I got some hand me downs every now and then from someone somewhere. In fact thanks for reminding me because once my brother gave me a bicycle that did not have any brakes on it. I should ask him what that was all aboutSo you went through most of your childhood without a bicycle?
You betchum!
Hebrews 9:22b and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Now you get the idea why God respected Abel's sacrifice over Cain's.
Loudmouth said:Ask yourself this . . .
Let's say that your child was sick, and all he needs is some antibiotics to get better. If your child does not get those antibiotics, your child dies.
Do you give your child antibiotics? Yes or no?
By giving your child antibiotics, are you taking that child's free will away? Yes or no?
By revealing your existence to your child, are you taking away their free will? Yes or no?
Even more importantly, would you create the deadly bacteria that is killing your child and allow it to infect your child to begin with? Yes or no?
ANTIBODIES are formed when small amounts of the deadly bacteria enter the body and can cause it to become stronger, by the body being forced to make them.
And-U-Say said:You know, for a christian, you are not very good at this analogy thing, are you. You missed so much here. Are you even capable of abstract thinking?
1a: I am talking about teaching the parents, not teaching the children while the parents do nothing. Isn't that more than obvious?
1b: You don't know what instinct and sub conscience mean, do you. Good lord, man, get a dictionary. Your comment here is meaningless.
1c: Solomen was a fictional character in a fictional story, so not a good basis for example. Also, you have to take all four of these parts together, one of them alone is not necessarily enough.
1d: No, since I would teach them how to live and teach them not to waste any time worshiping me, it would be obvious that hucksters are, well, hucksters. Reading comprehension is your friend.
And yes, it is still easy to be better than god.
Lord Emsworth said:What watch theory? I don't know of any such thing.
Lethe said:Nonsense.
Simple rules obviously give rise to complex, even completely unpredictable behavior.
An example of a hard, but still deterministic simple rule set would be Go or Chess. The rules are simple, the implications for strategy and board position explode.
You don't need to be a genius to invent chess or go or to learn the rules, but it's not possible to know all outcomes.
Loudmouth said:So he already knew that millions of children would die agonizing deaths due to disease before he even started?
God created Adam and Eve, and according to you God knew that they would do the very things they did do before God even created them. An omnipotent God, by definition, could have created the world so they would not have sinned and that would have prevented the pain and suffering of billions, according to your beliefs.
Death penalty? That was one of the results of sin. Not a penalty from God. Besides I think any Christian knows that your body dies and then there is the judgement. You, yourself do not die.Also, when was the last time anyone gave the death penalty to a child because of something their great-grandfather did? How is that anywhere close to being moral?
Yes, that is why God became a man, Jesus.Of course. If your child were suffering and you could easily stop their suffering, isn't it your moral duty to stop that suffering? Don't we put parents in jail for neglecting their children?
Only sin increases suffering. But wait a minute! If we all just evolved from fish then what does suffering matter anyways? Why are you arguing against suffering? You do realize you are using biblical morals and purpose to make your argument?If history is any indication, it will only increase suffering.
If god created the world with full knowledge of everything that will ever happen then he already created a puppet world, it just happens to be one where the puppets get to suffer.That would have created a puppet world with no free will.
Left up to Mother Nature, the odds of life occurring on its own in the universe is 10[sup]40,000[/sup].
Given that 10[sup]50[/sup] is sufficient to say that something cannot happen: evolution is mathematically impossible.
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I've tried that before, they still want evidence. They have the opportunity to put their theory to practice.
Aha! Now I know how to put 10[sup]50[/sup] into a sentence.
I tried the mathematical approach as well. I think someone stated that math does not fit in with evolution or something along those lines. Or they will say that the start of life is not part of evolution theory.
Claims must be backed up by real evidence.
If you don't want to be laughed at I would suggest that you avoid creationist sties that are well know for their lying.
Split Rock said:For a start, I wouldn't send my previous {ha,ha} perfect creation that rebelled against me down to the planet I created my other perfect life, just so he can tempt and mislead said perfect life into doing things I don't like.
The odds against any one lay-down of a standard 52-card deck are 1 in 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000. Exactly.
That's 8 x 10^67.
Nor do I consider it blood lust.I do not consider blood lust to be moral.
Anyone can do a random lay-down and attribute it to mathematical odds.that means I've done the mathematically impossible several times in my life!!!
HitchSlap said:Yeah, no evil if I was god. See how simple that was?
Lethe said:That doesn't make sense.
AV1611VET said:Is He now?
Perhaps He operates on another set of standards and a higher knowledge base than you?
Loudmouth said:Lee Iacocca never claimed to be omnipotent and omniscient. If he were he could have created an automobile that could never be stolen, would never be in an accident, and would never break down. If Iacocca were omnipotent we could blame him for every GM car that was stolen.
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