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Of course you can, but you won't.I like to use this question to explain the paradox to people who don't seem to understand it. Tomorrow, I'm going to go to the store to buy a soda. I can choose either Coke or Pepsi. God, since he already knows the future, knows that I will buy the Coke. When tomorrow comes...can I still choose the Pepsi?
Of course you can, but you won't.
The answer to what is NO?Then the answer is no,
The answer to what is NO?
I thought I said YES?
Methinks you're confused.No, you said no. There is no choice.
Methinks you're confused.
No. You said coke will be chosen.
Of course you can, but you won't.
And why did I say Coke would be chosen, chief?
Can you answer that?
It's called foreknowledge.If I can choose Pepsi, then how does god know the day before that I will choose Coke?
For the third time, you can choose the Pepsi.If I cannot choose Pepsi, and prove god's foreknowledge wrong, then my only real choice the whole time was Coke.
If god knew the coke would be chosen before he decided to even create the universe, then there was no choice. Your confirmation that the coke would be chosen just confirmed that.
If you have anything to add to that, interesting as I'm sure it will be, it won't alter the fact that there was no choice.
Stop and read what you just said.
First you said, IF GOD KNEW THE COKE WOULD BE CHOSEN.
Then you say, THEN THERE WAS NO CHOICE.
Which is it?
Before He even created the universe, God knew that Ana would exercise her freechoice to buy a Coke.
What's wrong with this picture?
Your refusal to accept that freewill cannot exist if god knows before he even creates the universe what will happen.
Of course you can, but you won't.
What's 5 + 4?
And don't tell me you don't have a choice to say 8.
I realize you spiritual anarchists don't want to be held accountable to a higher Authority for your choices, but it's that kind of mentality that leads to people committing conscience-free acts of violence.
The key here is just as you said, "I won't". Why not? Because if I did it would defy god's perfect knowledge. Once you realize that...you'd have to realize that at that moment of "choosing" I cannot actually choose the Pepsi and prove god wrong. I have only one course of action (its no longer a choice, indeed it never was). No matter if it appears or feels as if I made a choice, it wouldn't be. Instead, life would become a series of events that simply give the illusion of free will and some sense of control.
Needless to say, this would put the entire Christian religion in jeopardy. What would be the point of judging a man's life based upon his actions, his choices, if he never had control over those actions and choices to begin with?
Take a few steps back to look at the larger picture and it makes even less sense. Why would god create the universe if he already knew the results of this action? Why create mankind, judge their actions, and then eternally reward or punish them? Would it not be simpler to place the souls of those going to heaven in heaven, and the souls of those going to hell in hell? He could skip the entire "life on earth" aspect of this game and send everyone immediately to their reward or punishment...and the results would be exactly the same. Indeed, if "heaven" and "hell" are not actual places that exist within the universe and instead exist apart from it...why create the universe at all?
A god who knows the future conceptually ruins the entire point of the Christian religion.
Ya ... how 'bout that?If your god exists he will know my answer beforehand ...
Omniscience ≠ omnipotence.... so whatever I answer will not involve freewill on my part.
I don't know if you realize this, but with God or without God, you are still going to exercise your freechoice and buy a Coke tomorrow.
At least, that's what you said.
You just want to factor God into the equation now, so you can rant about some modified Calvinism or something.
Religions are not for thinking about they are for following.The key here is just as you said, "I won't". Why not? Because if I did it would defy god's perfect knowledge. Once you realize that...you'd have to realize that at that moment of "choosing" I cannot actually choose the Pepsi and prove god wrong. I have only one course of action (its no longer a choice, indeed it never was). No matter if it appears or feels as if I made a choice, it wouldn't be. Instead, life would become a series of events that simply give the illusion of free will and some sense of control.
Needless to say, this would put the entire Christian religion in jeopardy. What would be the point of judging a man's life based upon his actions, his choices, if he never had control over those actions and choices to begin with?
Take a few steps back to look at the larger picture and it makes even less sense. Why would god create the universe if he already knew the results of this action? Why create mankind, judge their actions, and then eternally reward or punish them? Would it not be simpler to place the souls of those going to heaven in heaven, and the souls of those going to hell in hell? He could skip the entire "life on earth" aspect of this game and send everyone immediately to their reward or punishment...and the results would be exactly the same. Indeed, if "heaven" and "hell" are not actual places that exist within the universe and instead exist apart from it...why create the universe at all?
A god who knows the future conceptually ruins the entire point of the Christian religion.
I don't know if you realize this, but with God or without God, you are still going to exercise your freechoice and buy a Coke tomorrow.
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