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Then let's sing the body electric, eh!?We're just robots going through the motions that were set in stone since before the beginning.
If god created the world in the full and complete knowledge of exactly what would happen then I have only the illusion of control because control would imply that I could choose between two actions.
How could he be caught off guard? He's just watching a film for the second time. We can no more make choices than Romeo can choose not to die at the end of of Romeo and Juliette.
TheBear said:You can't do that. That's not your own original idea. You gotta come up with your own stuff. Otherwise, that's cheating.
Split Rock said:So. I'm smarter than God??
I never said anything about any of this.
TheBear said:It's like a parent leaving a toddler in the kitchen with the stove on, and just say don't touch the stove, then leave the kitchen for a while. Good parenting, father almighty. Good parenting.
But you can. You can choose to call off work and play video games or go to work. You can go drive your car into a brick wall or drive it to the store.
If I could see the future and see you do that, it does not change your choices at all. I can just see what choice you are going to make.
Completely wrong.
Life is not a movie already scripted out. We are not following a script. God is not prompting our actions. We are not actors reading lines.
Go and do something you would not normally do. Like hop up and down and yodel. There, you just made a free will choice. No one but yourself made you do that.
If god knows the future then my hopping up and down and yodeling was as predetermined as any other illusory choice I make.
You seem determined to believe an illogical conclusion that God made you jump up and down and yodel. I guess that is your choice but it is not reality.
biggles53 said:Wonder if he also enjoyed pulling the wings off flies.....
How fortunate that such a creep doesn't exist........
But he does. And your idle words will have more of a cause and affect when you meet him.
We recognize the True Gold when we see It.There is no more evidence that it exists than for any of the 3000 other gods that men have invented.
But he does. And your idle words will have more of a cause and affect when you meet him.
If you are going to use that against us; would you prefer we move it to the forefront?Ignoring the fact that this empty threat is always the last resort of a creationist with no argument left,
Mentioning ≠ enjoying; nor is mentioning ≠ seem to be enjoying.... it is interesting how much creationists seem to enjoy the prospect of non-believers getting a comeuppance.
We recognize the True Gold when we see It.
The rest is fool's gold (aurum atheus).
Building doctrine on the ignorance of others?Hah.....I'm sure all those others who invented gods were/are equally convinced that they had the 'real deal' too....
Trying to act like Rabshakeh now, are you?Where are they now.....? Where's Baal.....where's Wotan....where's Zeus, Ra, Isis, Wodin, Thor, Quexalcote,.....?? Where are the unicorns, the fire breathing dragons, the minotaurs....?
Diocletian probably thought that as well.Your invented god will eventually go the way of all those others.....people will come to realise that it doesn't exist.....
Building doctrine on the ignorance of others?
You remind me of Tom & Jerry, where Tom finds himself holding a stick of dynamite that just goes * poof * in his hand to reveal a cute little firecracker; and while Tom is whewing in relief, the firecracker explodes like C4.
Trying to act like Rabshakeh now, are you?
2 Kings 18:34 Where are the gods of Hamath, and of Arpad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah? have they delivered Samaria out of mine hand?
Diocletian probably thought that as well.
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