An atheist's view on Christainity (amen!)

[Unsavedsinner]

Hey! I'm an atheist and I just got on this site about 5 minutes ago. Lol, it took me a little while to figure out how to post a thread here.

Anyway, Christainity, yeah. First of all, we do not hate *all* Christains. I personally hate those Bible Belt type characters that probably have no education and just repeat verses from the Bible and do not have any opinion on any subject besides that of the Bible. In other words, they have no personal opinion on anything. They don't really think. They just talk. They talk the Bible's opinion. Fortuntely, it seems that most people here are not like that. I love accepting Christains. I'm perfectly fine with them. I *hate* those who are closed minded jerks that do not accept any other type of thinking besides Biblical. I admit I was actually quite surprised with alot of posts on here. Many people that call themselves Christains here accept non Christains and people that do not have a straight sexual oriantation. Many people here also accept evolution. That shows this religion is maturing and evolving at accepting new ideas. Thats great.

On another note; God Himself. Now, imagine this. A rich atheist serial killer. He goes kind of crazy and has LOTS of chlidren. Now, if they become atheist like himself and accept his teachings and believe them, they will live with him and have a great rich life with him. If they become Christain or any other religion, he will burn his children and torture them in the fireplace and oven. He will make their lives misrable for eternity, simply because they do not believe in atheist teachings. Now, could you imagine this guy as one of your friends? Wouldn't you call 911 or Social Services if you knew someone like this? I would. Well, you guys believe a Being just like this imaginary guy I am talking about acts *exactly* like your God. I find that...odd. Some "all loving God" huh?

Also, here's a question for you. The Greek God myths. Now, why would they make up these unreal gods to explain things? They said the sun was a god. Why would they make this stuff up? Got an answer?

Thanks, this should be interesting.

 

[Blackguard_]

[quote="Hell is inconsistent with a loving God" part 3,454,986,336,536]On another note; God Himself. Now, imagine this. A rich atheist serial killer. He goes kind of crazy and has LOTS of chlidren. Now, if they become atheist like himself and accept his teachings and believe them, they will live with him and have a great rich life with him. If they become Christain or any other religion, he will burn his children and torture them in the fireplace and oven. He will make their lives misrable for eternity, simply because they do not believe in atheist teachings. Now, could you imagine this guy as one of your friends? Wouldn't you call 911 or Social Services if you knew someone like this? I would. Well, you guys believe a Being just like this imaginary guy I am talking about acts *exactly* like your God. I find that...odd. Some "all loving God" huh?[/quote]

That's a bad analogy. Its more like teh kids not beliveing the father exists. And the reason people are sent tell hell is not just beliefs. Its wrong action.

Do you think the father has no right to punish the kids for wrong action?

Also, here's a question for you. The Greek God myths. Now, why would they make up these unreal gods to explain things? They said the sun was a god. Why would they make this stuff up? Got an answer?

While I reject your term "made up" I'll say they posited the existence of gods becasue they saw agency in nature.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Ok fine, they were not made up. The sun is a god. Ok. You're intitled to your opinion.

Also, simpling punishing His children, and torturing them in enternal hell are two different things. Would you burn and torture your children simply because they did not believe in you? I would show myself and show them I exist. Not torture them like your God does.

 

[Rightwing3r]

Wow.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

"Wow." is a great way to describe it. Thank you.

 

[Blackguard_]

Ok fine, they were not made up. The sun is a god. Ok. You're intitled to your opinion.

false and made up are not the same thing.

Also, simpling punishing His children, and torturing them in enternal hell are two different things.

You're just calling punishment you don't like torture.

Would you burn and torture your children simply because they did not believe in you?

No, and neither does God.

I would show myself and show them I exist. Not torture them like your God does.

You mean like how he didn't show himself to those people who saw God in nature?

 

[GodSchism]

Write me an equation that proves the existence of beauty or love. Oh wait you can't; therefore science is missing a portion of truth, a portion of the infinite.
I am not blind to science. I accept it as cold-hard fact.
But I thought science could explain everything. Now write me an equation that proves the existence of virtue or spirit.
Oh since science can't do it then beauty and love and virtue and spirit must not exist.
digest that...eye for an eye...

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Well, I do not believe God is beauty and love, you don't need to believe in a god to have both of those things.

Seeing God in nature to me is just a medaphore and a marketing way to get people to believe. Thats what I think. God Himself may not torture these people in hell, but he sends them to hell...

 

[EverlastingMan]

I'll just post here, since this one is actually being posted in. You can disregard my posts in the other thread.
The Christian God is a God who is purportedly entirely perfect. He cannot accept evil. It is quite literally impossible for it to exist with Him. Thus, bad people--who will not allow themselves to be cleansed--go to hell; good people--who do allow themselves to be cleansed--go to heaven. It's not that it's a matter of loving or hating, it's sort of like trying to run Mac stuff on a PC. It isn't compatible.

Why would we make gods up? According to the naturalists it's because of an instinct. According to the believe it is a corrupted version of God.

 

[Blackguard_]

Seeing God in nature to me is just a medaphore and a marketing way to get people to believe. Thats what I think.

How the heck is it a "marketing way to get people to beleive"?

And no, it's not a metaphor.

God Himself may not torture these people in hell, but he sends them to hell...

So....?

 

[Blackguard_]

The Christian God is a God who is purportedly entirely perfect. He cannot accept evil. It is quite literally impossible for it to exist with Him. Thus, bad people--who will not allow themselves to be cleansed--go to hell; good people--who do allow themselves to be cleansed--go to heaven. It's not that it's a matter of loving or hating, it's sort of like trying to run Mac stuff on a PC. It isn't compatible.

That's how SOME Christians put it. In the Book of Job Satan is in Heaven afterall.

Furthermore, God being omni-present would rule out the "God can't stand to be in the presense of evil" thing.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Or maybe because we just had no science back when these religions were created to explain things! I think the word God is just an easy way out. A way to explain the unexplained. If you don't know why something happened, well...God did it! Case closed. You say God cannot accept evil. Well just because one is not Christain does not mean he is evil, right?

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Lol, I knew relating the nature and God thing with marketing was a bad way to explain it! I mean, a "trick" to get people to believe. We can't really see God Himself, so they thought of a tricky way to get people to "see" him. "Nature! Yeah, you can see God in Nature!" So when someone asks the question, can you actually see God himself? You can now say, "Oh yeah, you can in Nature." Do you know what I mean?

 

[Blackguard_]

Or maybe because we just had no science back when these religions were created to explain things!

Science arose out of the belief the gods/Gods created an orderly universe. Ever wonder why the first science was astronomy?

I think the word God is just an easy way out. A way to explain the unexplained. If you don't know why something happened, well...God did it! Case closed.

Not everyone believes in the God of the Gaps.

You say God cannot accept evil. Well just because one is not Christain does not mean he is evil, right?

Everyone is evil.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Well if everyone is evil, are we all going to hell?

It's not just the "God of the Gaps" that was made up to explain the unexplainable. Look at the Mayan gods and the Greek gods etc.

 

[Blackguard_]

Lol, I knew relating the nature and God thing with marketing was a bad way to explain it! I mean, a "trick" to get people to believe. We can't really see God Himself, so they thought of a tricky way to get people to "see" him. "Nature! Yeah, you can see God in Nature!" So when someone asks the question, can you actually see God himself? You can now say, "Oh yeah, you can in Nature."

Nice "just so" story. Would you like me to recount the tale of how Science is a fasle conspiracy? (really, how many of the advanced science claims can you experimentally test yourself? You have to trust published data right?)

Do you know what I mean?

You are part right. nature is the work of God and not god himself. But its not a trick.

 

[Blackguard_]

Well if everyone is evil, are we all going to hell?

No, those who have faith won't.

It's not just the "God of the Gaps" that was made up to explain the unexplainable. Look at the Mayan gods and the Greek gods etc.

You haven;t even gotten that far. Seeing agency in nature is not necessarily"an explanation of the unexplainable". Like astronomy, it was based on the belief the gods had made an orderly universe.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Ok thats cool. I believe religion uses nature as a trick to get people to think that God is nature.

Sometimes science is false, other times it isn't. I know and accept that. We are open to new ideas and opinions. If one day they thought of a whole new way to explain how we "evolved" that wasnt the theory of Evolution and had more scientific evidence to support it than Evolution did, I would support that new theory.

 

[Unsavedsinner]

Well, ofcourse, when you are a non Christain, you see Jesus as a selfish sinner himself. "Love me or burn in Hell".

 

[Maxwell511]

Do you think the father has no right to punish the kids for wrong action?

A father does not punish their kids for performing a wrong action. They rebuke them so that the wrong action will not be taken again and so that the child learns its lesson and grows.

Punishing a child for say stealing sweets by grounding them has a point. Sending someone to hell doesn't.