Amazing Biological Nanotechnology

[Radrook]

Just posting this as a reason why we conclude intelligent design.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I saw this thread title, saw the poster... and I predicted an OP with at max one written sentence and an embedded video.

As usual, this is again a discovery institute PRATT

Here's my rebuttal:

I gotta say though, these "video discussions" do take up a lot less time and energy...

 

[Radrook]

Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum


"I can't see!" isn't a rebuttal just as saying that you can't feel a female hippo sitting on your lap doesn't make her flatulence go away.

 

[Jimmy D]

Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum


"I can't see!" isn't a rebuttal just as saying that you can't feel a female hippo sitting on your lap doesn't make her flatulence go away.

Do you know how the Flagellum evolved?

 

[Radrook]

Do you know how the Flagellum evolved?

If it evolved into that configuration then it was theistic evolution or evolution under the constant guidance of an intelligent designer. Sorry but I don't buy the mindless genius idea.

 

[Jimmy D]

If it evolved into that configuration then it was theistic evolution or evolution under the constant guidance of an intelligent designer. Sorry but I don't buy the mindless genius idea.

Thanks.

You say "if it evolved", does that mean you think that there may be another option in addition to the two you listed? Special creation or something?

I'm curious as to how you believe it may have evolved under the constant guidance of a special creator. Surely this would imply that it came about step by step, therefore it couldn't be irreducibly complex?

(I hope I'm not misrepresenting you views but you've been a bit vague)

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If it evolved into that configuration then it was theistic evolution or evolution under the constant guidance of an intelligent designer. Sorry but I don't buy the mindless genius idea.

So....

if it didn't evolve, it is designed.
And if it did evolve... it is also designed.

"heads I win, tails you lose".

Intellectual dishonesty at work.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum

That's a known and exposed creationist propaganda site.
Try finding a valid source.

"I can't see!" isn't a rebuttal just as saying that you can't feel a female hippo sitting on your lap doesn't make her flatulence go away.

I didn't say that I can't see. I gave you a vid that details how "irreducible complexity" is not a valid argument which uses the flagellum as an example to illustrate that fact.

 

[Loudmouth]

Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum


"I can't see!" isn't a rebuttal just as saying that you can't feel a female hippo sitting on your lap doesn't make her flatulence go away.

You agree with Behe that the flagellum could not be produced by observed evolutionary mechanisms.

 

[Skreeper]

Just posting this as a reason why we conclude intelligent design.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the scientific community doesn't consider the flagellum as an example of irreducible complexity.

Please enjoy: CB200.1: Bacterial flagella and Irreducibly Complexity

 

[HitchSlap]

Just posting this as a reason why we conclude intelligent design.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.


You.

Us.

 

[Radrook]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the scientific community doesn't consider the flagellum as an example of irreducible complexity.

Please enjoy: CB200.1: Bacterial flagella and Irreducibly Complexity

Since when is atheism a requirement for membership in the scientific community?

 

[Loudmouth]

Since when is atheism a requirement for membership in the scientific community?

Since when is a belief in a God who has to interfere in nature at every step of life a required belief in the Christian community?

 

[Radrook]

Thanks.

You say "if it evolved", does that mean you think that there may be another option in addition to the two you listed? Special creation or something?

I'm curious as to how you believe it may have evolved under the constant guidance of a special creator. Surely this would imply that it came about step by step, therefore it couldn't be irreducibly complex?

(I hope I'm not misrepresenting you views but you've been a bit vague)

You are introducing totally irrelevant issues.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You are introducing totally irrelevant issues.

Of course it's relevant - he's asking you to explain issues you brought up - or are you claiming you derailed your own thread?

 

[Loudmouth]

You are introducing totally irrelevant issues.

Then let's discuss the relevant issues. Let's see if you agree with the scientific conclusion that mutations are random with respect to fitness.

You will notice that I said mutations are random with respect to fitness. This last part is important. What it means is that the chances of a mutation occurring are not increased simply because the organism needs that mutation. Two sets of scientists in the 40's and 50's help demonstrate that mutations were random with respect to fitness (the Lederbergs & Luria and Delbruck). What they found is that mutations conferring antibiotic resistance occurred in the absence of antibiotics. The mutation happens in a random generation regardless of the presence of antibiotics.

Do you accept these findings?

 

[Radrook]

The following article explains why the claims that the flagellum assembly is an expression of a mindlessly established process is totally untenable.
Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum

 

[Loudmouth]

The following article explains why the claims that the flagellum assembly is an expression of a mindlessly established process is totally untenable.
Michael Behe Hasn't Been Refuted on the Flagellum

Once again you are saying that intelligent design is evidenced by features that could not evolve. You are saying that intelligent design and evolution are different things.

 

[Skreeper]

Since when is atheism a requirement for membership in the scientific community?

When have I ever claimed such a thing? You might want to stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[HitchSlap]

Since when is atheism a requirement for membership in the scientific community?

Don't be absurd, it's not. And BTW, there is no "membership" application. The "scientific community" is comprised of those who do solid research, remain as objective as humanly possible, change their beliefs when compelled to do so, and accept things even if they find them personally objectionable.