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Entertaining_Angels

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I've been saying for years that I believe my son's autism is related to the ultrasounds I had while pregnant with him. I've read and studied up so much on ultrasounds and it really is not pretty what they do to our babies. I've found studies suggesting a link to bladder deformities and speech both of which are issues for my son and then I read this tonight:

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/hea?guid=20060807/44d6bac0_3ca6_15526200608071446337842

I believe with all my heart that within the next 20 years, ultrasounds will be the 'DES' of the current decades and many cases of autism will be linked to them.

Finally, somebody is paying attention...
 
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When I did my research years ago, it was determined that tissue could be disolved by the ultrasound if done incorrectly. Any tissue--joints, brain matter, bones....etc.

My doctor was very unhappy that I would not partake of the typical three ultrasounds in one pregnancy. She actually wanted me to sign a form stating I was chosing NOT to undergo an ultrasound, yet they do not have you sign one stating you understand the RISKS and yet choose to have one. DUH!! I did not sign the form.

A provable autism link to ultrasounds would awesome.......and it makes since with the timeline increase of autism and the increase of ultrasounds that are done just for thrills---even 3D and 4D and in color. Goodness gracious. Just an accident waiting to happen.

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Oh my goodness, the more I've learned about what ultrasound actually does, the more I cringe when I hear about ultrasound use for entertainment. Somebody here or at another site was telling me that Tom Cruise bought his wife an ultrasound machine while she was pregnant for use at home. I wonder if we'll learn in the next few years that his baby has issues. I seriously wouldn't be surprised. And, even though I had 25-plus u/s's with my son (didn't understand the risks then so didn't question them), I don't think it is so much about quantity as quality. It just takes one u/s where the beam stays in place just a little too long. Doctors are some of the worst offenders too. They are not properly trained on u/s equipment. Any woman having an ultrasound should always refuse if it is the physician using the equipment and ask for an experienced tech.
 
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I've thought of this too...It makes me sick when I realize what went on with me. They had me going for ultrasounds every 2 - 3 weeks for the last 4 months of my pregancy with DS.

I still get quite upset when I realize that their efforts to take me to 'full-term' hurt him so much! And they don't even have to take responsibility for it because 'its the norm'!!!
 
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I know it. We didn't know any better but I really do believe in ten, twenty years the medical profession will know alot more about this. But, until then, like everything else, u/s use will be really defended and it's easy to see why. It is so cool to see our babies before they are born. However, unless there is a clear need, it just isn't worth the possible harm.
 
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Well they can't say it is for money here in our country but I had lots of ultrasounds and never for a minute regret any of them. My babies were small for dates.
Everything I have seen and read says they are safe if used properly and the only thing I ever worried about was hearing loss. Did everyone decide that vaccines are no longer the cause of Autism? What about the clusters of autism in places like the silicon valley?
 
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We're a silicon valley family too although we've since moved. I joke that we have silicon chips flowing through our veins because of all the programmers in my family.

Vaccines are still being researched and researched and researched. My issue is all the money being spent for this research and yet no study linking autism to vaccines can be reproduced. There is definitely no smoking gun there and I wish they would start pouring some of that energy into ultrasounds. Just takes one ultrasound where the baby's brain is just heated up a little too much. I do believe this will be studied more and, eventually, ultrasound use will not be treated as casually as they are now. They'll have films in future classes of women PAYING to get a 3D u/s in a mall and all the children will gasp in horror :)
 
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The link for the article doesn't work. Can you give it to me again OreGal? How many is too many? What kind of bladder problems are associated with ultrasounds?

I'm feeling kind of shocked right now. I had HELLP syndrome when pregnant with my son. It wasn't diagnosed until the day they took him. He was 27 weeks and 3 days. But during the 12 hours or so before my c-section they had to have taken at least 3 or 4 ultrasounds...maybe more. I can't remember now.

He's 4 years-old and has a severe speech problem. He was classified preschool handicapped and attends our public school's preschool 5 days a week. He has speech therapy 4 times a week. His problem is not delay, but a motor function problem with his tongue.

Plus, he's not potty trained. No where near potty trained. We were thinking it was lazieness, but then he also wakes up with a totally full pull up every single morning. So I'm wondering now if there's a physical problem.
 
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I spoke with two speech therapists who've never heard of this before.

Then I found a study where they did cranial ultrasounds on mice and found that it caused the brain cells to be displaced or killed. The study was inconclusive because, I guess, mice can't talk!

My concern was that my son had many cranial ultrasounds during the time he was in the NICU. I wish I could have that original link though!!

Can anyone else give it to me?
 
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Here's a variation of the article. However I do want to state because this comes up often when discussing causation, just because something has not happened to you or somebody you know does not mean there is no risk. Please, always keep that in mind no matter what the argument. Not every baby whose mother does meth or smokes pot will have a baby with issues. Not every mother who smokes will have a baby with issues. Not every mother who drinks coffee will have a baby with issues. Not every drunk driver will go out and kill somebody. These studies simply indicate an increase in risk and not that the risk is absolute. Huge difference when you study science. Just so, a growing number of folk do believe ultrasound use increases the risk of autism and other disorders/defects. And, it really has very little to do with quantity and everything to do with quality. You can have one ultrasound total during your pregnancy and if the transducer is left in one area too long, that's enough to superheat your baby's flesh and brain.

Anyhow
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Ultrasound may affect fetal brains: study

Updated Tue. Aug. 8 2006 10:29 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Scientists are investigating whether ultrasound scans during pregnancy may harm the brains of unborn babies.

The move follows a U.S. study which showed that when pregnant mice were exposed to ultrasound, their developing offspring suffered brain abnormalities.

The researchers, from Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, said the changes prompted by the ultrasounds were small and insisted that pregnant women should not stop having the scans.

Early ultrasound scans are done to determine the exact week of the pregnancy and they are also done later to check for anatomical defects and other problems.

Ultrasound waves bounce off tissue and the echoes can be used to create a 3D image of the baby.

But the waves, which are at a high enough frequency to penetrate flesh, also induce vibrations in the tissue and can lead to a rise in temperature, suggesting they could cause damage.

The team now plans further research on monkeys to see if similar effects occur in larger, more human-like brains.

If the same thing happens, there could be implications for the use of ultrasound to check on babies inside the womb.

"Those upcoming studies should give us information that will be more directly applicable to uses of USW (ultrasound waves) in humans," research leader Dr Pasko Rakic told the Associated Press.

"I want to emphasize that our study in mice does not mean that use of ultrasound on human fetuses for appropriate diagnostic and medical purposes should be abandoned," he said.

"On the contrary, ultrasound has been shown to be very beneficial in the medical context. Instead, our study warns against its non-medical use."

Rakic's paper said that while the effects of ultrasound in human brain development are not yet known, there are disorders thought to be the result of misplacement of brain cells during their development.

"These disorders range from mental retardation and childhood epilepsy to developmental dyslexia, autism spectrum disorders and schizophrenia," the researchers said.

'Entertainment' ultrasound

The findings come just a few months after Tom Cruise bought girlfriend Katie Holmes a sonogram machine for her to use at home while she was expecting the couple's first child -- daughter Suri.

Dr. Joshua Copel, president-elect of the American Institute of Ultrasound Medicine, said his organization tries to discourage "entertainment" ultrasound, but considers sonograms important when there is a medical benefit.

"Anytime we're doing an ultrasound we have to think of risk versus benefit. What clinical question are we trying to answer," Copel told AP.

"It may be very important to know the exact dating of pregnancy, it's certainly helpful to know the anatomy of the fetus, but we shouldn't be holding a transducer on mom's abdomen for hours and hours and hours."

In the mice study, the scientists injected more than 335 unborn mice still in their mother's wombs with special markers to track neuronal development.

Brain cells in fetal mammals multiply early and then migrate to their final destinations. Where they end up in the brain defines their connectivity and function.

Previous research has shown that when this process is upset by genetic or environmental factors such as alcohol or drugs, it can lead to mental impairment.

However, the scientists stressed that they do not know whether the changes caused by ultrasound would be large enough to alter behaviour.

The research was reported in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
 
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I spoke with two speech therapists who've never heard of this before.

Then I found a study where they did cranial ultrasounds on mice and found that it caused the brain cells to be displaced or killed. The study was inconclusive because, I guess, mice can't talk!

My concern was that my son had many cranial ultrasounds during the time he was in the NICU. I wish I could have that original link though!!

Can anyone else give it to me?

My son's speech therapist was the one to clue us in on it but she was really on top of the current research. His next therapist hadn't heard about it but took the time to research it. Here is one study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=8221427&query_hl=15&itool=pubmed_docsum

I think what is most important is that people realize ultrasound use and babies has not been extensively studied and just because something has not been written about in JAMA does not make it not so. I think we as parents need to take this info, realize there may be a potential risk and stand up for our baby's rights. I did with my second child.
 
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My son's speech therapist was the one to clue us in on it but she was really on top of the current research. His next therapist hadn't heard about it but took the time to research it. Here is one study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=8221427&query_hl=15&itool=pubmed_docsum

I think what is most important is that people realize ultrasound use and babies has not been extensively studied and just because something has not been written about in JAMA does not make it not so. I think we as parents need to take this info, realize there may be a potential risk and stand up for our baby's rights. I did with my second child.
Thank you! Reading it now.

You knwo what's interesting about this, is that I don't know how many cranial ultrasounds Sean had. They just did them without asking me. I was just clueless. It was 84 days of blur.
 
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Same here, they just gave u/s's to me left and right. I had them by trained techs and techs being trained. I had them by physicians who had very little training on the equipment altogether. If I'd known more, I'd have skipped the u/s's by the untrained techs and the physicians and I would have made sure the transducer never stayed in place very long. I had some u/s sessions that were quite long.
 
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Well they can't say it is for money here in our country....

Actually, Drs get paid by the government for every blood test, perscription, ultrasound, etc they order. That's why the pharmacist confirms the Dr, and their names are on all the forms...the Governemnt can trace each medical billing submission & who saw them (our healthcare numbers are submitted with each claim) made by the Dr if they want too.
 
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