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Frankarmendariz said:is allah a universal word for God? islamic believes in what we believe but they call their God allah? (i think) i was told allah doesnt exist but allah does in the sense that its another name for God. im just confused, is the christian God also allah if its a universal name?
Allah actually means 'The God' or 'One God'.
Muslims would argue that Christians worship three Gods because of the doctrine of the Trinity.
Christians also think in terms of God as a 'father' rather than someone, according to Islam, who is totally removed from Creation.
drjean said:From what I read about the Muslim god, it has no identification of the God of Abraham and of Christians.
One of the names Allah calls himself is the "Deceiver", and followers admit that Allah enjoys "throwing his power around" even in doing malicious things and playing tricks on people just because he can. That hardly describes the great I AM who is Love and "changes not".
The topic is good for study, imo. The philosophies of the different "gods" compared to God Almighty are easily accessible I think.
Be well.
It might be good for you to study Islam because you are mischaracterizing Allah. He is also called the Responder to Prayers, the Forgiver of Sins, the All Compassionate and the All Merciful,not to mention that He is believed to be the God of Abraham. It is also said that His mercy precedes His wrath and that, if you approach Him one cubit he approaches you ten, and if you approach Him walking He will approach you at speed.
Whether you agree with Islam or not, Muslims believe that theirs is the god of Abraham. It's unlikely that someone with the background you claim to have would be unaware of this.Have I not studied? Have I not read the q'oran twice myself? Have I not listened to converted muslims, now Christian?
Yeah. I have done all that.
This is not the forum for me to discuss the problems with the Islamic beliefs. It's a philosophy forum and I merely pointed out one of the names the god of Islam calls himself, and one negative aspect of himself that is contrary to the true God of Love. shalom
'Allah' is the Arabic word for 'God'. Arabic Christians worship Allah, insofar as that's the word for 'God' in their language - what did you think they called him?is allah a universal word for God? islamic believes in what we believe but they call their God allah? (i think) i was told allah doesnt exist but allah does in the sense that its another name for God. im just confused, is the christian God also allah if its a universal name?
Can you cite the chapter and verse in the Qu'ran where Allah calles himself the 'deceiver', and can you cite a source where Muslims say that Allah "enjoys throwing his power around"?From what I read about the Muslim god, it has no identification of the God of Abraham and of Christians.
One of the names Allah calls himself is the "Deceiver", and followers admit that Allah enjoys "throwing his power around" even in doing malicious things and playing tricks on people just because he can. That hardly describes the great I AM who is Love and "changes not".
The topic is good for study, imo. The philosophies of the different "gods" compared to God Almighty are easily accessible I think.
Be well.
Can you cite the chapter and verse in the Qu'ran where Allah calles himself the 'deceiver', and can you cite a source where Muslims say that Allah "enjoys throwing his power around"?
And, let's face it, the God of the Old Testament is just as bad - ever read the story of Job? To quote you, the plight God directly inflicts upon Job "hardly describes the great I AM who is love and "changes not"".
And, if God "changes not", how do you reconcile that with Genesis 6:6, Jonah 3:10, Exodus 32:14, etc, where God repents, changes his mind, etc?
is allah a universal word for God? islamic believes in what we believe but they call their God allah? (i think) i was told allah doesnt exist but allah does in the sense that its another name for God. im just confused, is the christian God also allah if its a universal name?
Yep.wait God repented?
Wiccan_Child said:Yep.
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." - Genesis 6:6
"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." - Jonah 3:10
"Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened." - Exodus 32:14
According to the OT, God is quite capable of changing his mind, relenting and repenting, etc. How this fits into a God who "doesn't change" I don't know.
On the contrary, God's listed qualities specifically include not repenting and not lying (qv. Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, 2 Samuel 7:28, Hebrews 6:18), and God is claimed to "change not" - in other words, he should never ever lie or repent. Yet he does exactly that (qv. Genesis 6:6, Jonah 3:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:11).Because changing one's mind does not equate to changing one's qualities or essence.
Wiccan_Child said:On the contrary, God's listed qualities specifically include not repenting and not lying (qv. Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, 2 Samuel 7:28, Hebrews 6:18), and God is claimed to "change not" - in other words, he should never ever lie or repent. Yet he does exactly that (qv. Genesis 6:6, Jonah 3:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:11).
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