Allah (or rather a transcendent god) makes more sense...? Thoughts?

GrowingSmaller · Jun 30, 2015

I have to admit this, I am basing this argument on an insight from a Christian.

I asked about the theology of the multiverse, and he responded with the question would it make sense for Jesus to save alll of the multiverse, or just us on this planet.

If there is a God, and Jesus is God, then it seems like he is a God only for us, here, on Earth.

But if there are other lifeforms, then it makes sense that God is not just here for us, but for every "intelligent lifeform".

If ET civilisations exist, and they have religion, maybe they believe in avatars (divine manifestations in their own bodily form)...

But for me the idea of a transcendent God, one god for the whole universe or multiverse, makes sense.

One god for all possible worlds, not just ours.

quatona · Jun 30, 2015

GrowingSmaller said:
I have to admit this, I am basing this argument on an insight from a Christian.

I asked about the theology of the multiverse, and he responded with the question would it make sense for Jesus to save alll of the multiverse, or just us on this planet.

If there is a God, and Jesus is God, then it seems like he is a God only for us, here, on Earth.

But if there are other lifeforms, then it makes sense that God is not just here for us, but for every "intelligent lifeform".

If ET civilisations exist, and they have religion, maybe they believe in avatars (divine manifestations in their own bodily form)...

But for me the idea of a transcendent God, one god for the whole universe or multiverse, makes sense.

One god for all possible worlds, not just ours.

If I felt that the idea of a God made sense at all, sure.
But maybe there would be Sub-Gods for each lifeform?

Holoman · Jun 30, 2015

GrowingSmaller said:
I have to admit this, I am basing this argument on an insight from a Christian.

I asked about the theology of the multiverse, and he responded with the question would it make sense for Jesus to save alll of the multiverse, or just us on this planet.

If there is a God, and Jesus is God, then it seems like he is a God only for us, here, on Earth.

But if there are other lifeforms, then it makes sense that God is not just here for us, but for every "intelligent lifeform".

If ET civilisations exist, and they have religion, maybe they believe in avatars (divine manifestations in their own bodily form)...

But for me the idea of a transcendent God, one god for the whole universe or multiverse, makes sense.

One god for all possible worlds, not just ours.

Well firstly this is all based on the assumption that other "intelligent" lifeforms exist, by which I mean not just intelligent but self aware and aware of right and wrong, morality.

But suppose they did, I don't see how this is a problem for Christianity. God must be transcendent by definition, and is the only God. "I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5

juvenissun · Jun 30, 2015

GrowingSmaller said:
I have to admit this, I am basing this argument on an insight from a Christian.

I asked about the theology of the multiverse, and he responded with the question would it make sense for Jesus to save alll of the multiverse, or just us on this planet.

If there is a God, and Jesus is God, then it seems like he is a God only for us, here, on Earth.

But if there are other lifeforms, then it makes sense that God is not just here for us, but for every "intelligent lifeform".

If ET civilisations exist, and they have religion, maybe they believe in avatars (divine manifestations in their own bodily form)...

But for me the idea of a transcendent God, one god for the whole universe or multiverse, makes sense.

One god for all possible worlds, not just ours.

Your reasoning leads to an important conclusion: Human only exists on the earth, and nowhere else in the multiverse.

durangodawood · Jun 30, 2015

juvenissun said:
Your reasoning leads to an important conclusion: Human only exists on the earth, and nowhere else in the multiverse.

But what about other intelligent beings and their souls?

juvenissun · Jun 30, 2015

durangodawood said:
But what about other intelligent beings and their souls?

If they are not human, then they are just the same as other animals.
Provided, I do think animals also exist on the earth only. (this issue is also related to the definition of animal. I am not sure how should it be defined, but I will not be surprised to see some bacteria existed on Mars.)

durangodawood · Jun 30, 2015

juvenissun said:
If they are not human, then they are just the same as other animals.
Provided, I do think animals also exist on the earth only. (this issue is also related to the definition of animal. I am not sure how should it be defined, but I will not be surprised to see some bacteria existed on Mars.)

What if they arent human, but are roughly our equal (or greater) in intelligence and depth of soul?

juvenissun · Jun 30, 2015

durangodawood said:
I told you: I dont mean human.

As for whether such beings exist, you have no way of knowing they dont.

There IS a way: Christianity says that.

durangodawood · Jun 30, 2015

juvenissun said:
There IS a way: Christianity says that.

Thats a matter of faith.

nonbeliever314 · Jul 1, 2015

juvenissun said:
If they are not human, then they are just the same as other animals.

Aren't we animals?

Moral Orel · Jul 1, 2015

juvenissun said:
There IS a way: Christianity says that.

There is nothing in the Bible, that I know of or have ever heard of, that says humans are the only intelligent things God created. I don't necessarily believe in the Bible right now, but I am pretty sure that it doesn't preclude other planets with other lifeforms being created by God. I think it just doesn't mention them, but it also doesn't mention black holes, so...

juvenissun · Jul 1, 2015

nonbeliever314 said:
Aren't we animals?

Certainly NOT.

juvenissun · Jul 1, 2015

Nicholas Deka said:
There is nothing in the Bible, that I know of or have ever heard of, that says humans are the only intelligent things God created. I don't necessarily believe in the Bible right now, but I am pretty sure that it doesn't preclude other planets with other lifeforms being created by God. I think it just doesn't mention them, but it also doesn't mention black holes, so...

It is a logic MUST BE conclusion based on Christian theology.

juvenissun · Jul 1, 2015

durangodawood said:
Thats a matter of faith.

Yes, when you have faith, you have a way. No faith, no way.

nonbeliever314 · Jul 1, 2015

juvenissun said:
Certainly NOT.

I see.

Moral Orel · Jul 1, 2015

juvenissun said:
It is a logic MUST BE conclusion based on Christian theology.

How so? What scripture leads you to think this way? Can you explain your logic or offer any proof that it is a "must be" scenario?

juvenissun · Jul 1, 2015

Nicholas Deka said:
How so? What scripture leads you to think this way? Can you explain your logic or offer any proof that it is a "must be" scenario?

I certainly can. But it could be long.
See if I can give a very short version: Well, something like this:

God creates Adam, then Eve.
We are all from Adam and Eve.
Lord Jesus saves us.
This is the end of the story.

So, we MUST be only human beings in the multiverse.
Good enough? Why not?

lupusFati · Jul 1, 2015

Makes one wonder if there's a sister reality to this one where Adam and Eve didn't eat of the Tree of Knowledge. If we assume Genesis is accurate just for the idea of a multiverse, as well as the idea of a God for all 'verses.

Moral Orel · Jul 2, 2015

juvenissun said:
I certainly can. But it could be long.
See if I can give a very short version: Well, something like this:

God creates Adam, then Eve.
We are all from Adam and Eve.
Lord Jesus saves us.
This is the end of the story.

So, we MUST be only human beings in the multiverse.
Good enough? Why not?

So God tells us about everything he does?

juvenissun · Jul 2, 2015

Nicholas Deka said:
So God tells us about everything he does?

Of course not. Silly question.
But God does tell us that human lives on the EARTH. And He uses the Christian theology to imply that human lives ONLY on the earth.

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