Allah is not the God of Abraham

Aryeh Jay · Mar 22, 2017

durangodawood said:
Thats too confusing.

I blame my parents.

dzheremi · Mar 22, 2017

I'm just going to leave this here...those who can read it can understand the correspondences between the Greek and the Arabic, and those who cannot or do not wish to admit them can continue to make pseudo-linguistic, malformed arguments that are embarrassing and self-contradictory for anyone professing Christianity to be making.

As a Christian and a linguist, I find threads like this cringe-worthy in the extreme. There are certainly theological arguments to be made against identifying the god of Islam with the God of Christianity, but it doesn't seem like anyone on this message board is ever very interested in making those. I wonder why.

Aryeh Jay · Mar 22, 2017

Albion said:
I don't find "for the glory of Christ (or his Church)" anywhere in that otherwise extensive and careful defense.

And we know why that is, don't we?

Extensive and carefully crafted? Ok, I wacked some Iraqis in 1991. I didn’t do it for any church; I did it because George H.W. Bush told my commanders to tell me to do it. I wacked some more Iraqis in 2004. I didn’t do it for any church; I did it because George W. Bush told my commanders to tell me to do it.

The Iraqis that I whacked in 1991 were there because Saddam Hussein told their commanders to invade Kuwait, not because they were Muslim. The Iraqis that I wacked in 2004 were not shooting at me because they were Muslim and I was Jewish, they were shooting at me because I invaded their homeland. They were even Shiite Muslims and suffered under Saddam Hussein and the Sunni controlled state, so it wasn’t out of any loyalty to him.

Tallguy88 · Mar 22, 2017

I agree they are not the same, but because they deny the Holy Trinity, not because of semantics.

durangodawood · Mar 22, 2017

Tallguy88 said:
I agree they are not the same, but because they deny the Holy Trinity, not because of semantics.

Well what if they ARE the same, but one group just doesnt comprehend God entirely correctly?

Tallguy88 · Mar 22, 2017

durangodawood said:
Well what if they ARE the same, but one group just doesnt comprehend God entirely correctly?

At most you could argue that they worship God the Father. But by denying the Trinity specifically, they deny God as Christians believe Him to be.

durangodawood · Mar 22, 2017

Tallguy88 said:
At most you could argue that they worship God the Father. But by denying the Trinity specifically, they deny God as Christians believe Him to be.

Yes. Same God, understood differently.

This is normal. For example Americans and Russian probably see Putin very differently on average. Does that mean we are talking about various different Putins? No. One guy, understood in diverse ways.

Aryeh Jay · Mar 22, 2017

durangodawood said:
Yes. Same God, understood differently.

This is normal. For example Americans and Russian probably see Putin very differently on average. Does that mean we are talking about various different Putins? No. One guy, understood in diverse ways.

Because both Muslims and Jews can completely agree on Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” then they have to be wrong because they don’t accept a Triune God.

durangodawood · Mar 22, 2017

Aryeh Jay said:
Because both Muslims and Jews can completely agree on Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” then they have to be wrong because they don’t accept a Triune God.

Sure, they might be wrong in their understanding. But they could be misunderstanding the same God.... just as we all know people may have different understandings of the same person.

Tallguy88 · Mar 22, 2017

Aryeh Jay said:
Because both Muslims and Jews can completely agree on Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” then they have to be wrong because they don’t accept a Triune God.

There is one God in three divine persons. Muslims and Jews both deny this.

CherubRam · Mar 22, 2017

Nehemiah 9

7. "You are Yahwah Elohiym, who chose Abram and brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham. (Babylon)

During the days of Abraham people worshipped idols and pagan gods that they created for themselves, and also Pagan trinities. Abraham believed that God is a living being, and that He is the only true God. That is why you see this verse in scripture.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: Yahwah our God, Yahwah is only.

This was to serve as a warning because the land that they were entering had Pagan trinities.

Mark 12:29
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, Yahwah our God, Yahwah is only.

During the days of Yahshua the Hellenistic and Kabbalistic Jews began introducing Trinitarianism into Judaism.

CherubRam · Mar 22, 2017

Exodus 20:3. "You shall have no other gods (Elohiyms) before me.

Deuteronomy 4:35. You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym); besides Him there is no other.

Deuteronomy 4:39. Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym) in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.

Deuteronomy 5:7. "You shall have no other gods (Elohiyms) before me.

Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The Lord (Yahwah) our God (Elohiym), the LORD (Yahwah) is one (only.)

1 Kings 8:60. So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD (Yahwah) is God (Elohiym) and that there is no other.

Isaiah 42:8. "I am the LORD (Yahwah); that is my name! I will not give my glory to another, or my praise to idols.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant (Yahshua) whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god (el) was formed, nor will there be one after me.

Isaiah 44:8. Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God (Eloah=Gods above) besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Isaiah 45:5. I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other; apart from me there is no God (Elohiym).

6. so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other.

Isaiah 45:14. This is what the LORD (Yahwah) says: "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush, and those tall Sabeans— they will come over to you and will be yours; they will trudge behind you, coming over to you in chains. They will bow down before you and plead with you, saying, 'Surely God (El) is with you, and there is no other; there is no other god (Elohiym).' "

Isaiah 45:18. For this is what the LORD (Yahwah) says: He who created the heavens, He is God (Elohiym); He who fashioned and made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited: He says: "I am the LORD (Yahwah), and there is no other.

Isaiah 45:22. "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God (El), and there is no other.

Isaiah 46:9. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God (El), and there is no other; I am God (Elohiym), and there is none like me.

Joel 2:27. Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am the LORD (Yahwah) your God (Elohiym), and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed.

Yahwah is God and he won't give his glory to another god.

The Greatest Commandment

Mark 12:28. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus (Yahshua) had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"

29. "The most important one," answered Jesus (Yahshua), "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord (Yahwah) our God (Elohiym), the Lord (Yahwah) is one (only).

Mark 12:32. "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God (Yahwah) is one (only) and there is no other but Him.

John 14:28. "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you love me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Niblo · Mar 22, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
Darn those PC educators for promoting facts and linguistics! Did you know some have even started to suggest the the earth is round and not flat? Pretty soon people will start to think the sun is some sort of giant ball of super hot gas millions of miles away.

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You're good.....you really are good. Huge respect!

Niblo · Mar 22, 2017

Aryeh Jay said:
I blame my parents.

Me too!!!

ViaCrucis · Mar 22, 2017

CherubRam said:
Exodus 20:3. "You shall have no other gods (Elohiyms) before me.

Elohim is already plural, saying "Elohyms" is redundant.

-CryptoLutheran

Albion · Mar 22, 2017

Aryeh Jay said:
Extensive and carefully crafted?

Very well. I wanted to give you credit for giving a thoughtful reply, regardless of whether or not I agreed with your POV. Maybe there was a better way of saying it.

ViaCrucis · Mar 22, 2017

CherubRam said:
...

Exodus 20:3. لَا يَكُنْ لَكَ آلِهَةٌ أُخْرَى سِوَايَ.
Says aliha
Deuteronomy 4:35. لَقَدِ اطَّلَعْتُمْ عَلَى هَذِهِ كُلِّهَا لِتَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ الرَّبَّ هُوَ الإِلَهُ، وَلَيْسَ آخَرَ سِوَاهُ.
Says Allah
Deuteronomy 4:39. فَاعْتَرِفُوا الْيَوْمَ وَرَدِّدُوا فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ قَائِلِينَ: إِنَّ الرَّبَّ هُوَ الإِلَهُ فِي السَّمَاءِ مِنْ فَوْقُ، وَعَلَى الأَرْضِ مِنْ تَحْتُ وَلَيْسَ إِلَهٌ سِوَاهُ.
Says Allah
Deuteronomy 5:7. لَا يَكُنْ لَكَ آلِهَةٌ أُخْرَى أَمَامِي.
Says aliha
Deuteronomy 6:4. اسْمَعُوا يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ: الرَّبُّ إِلَهُنَا رَبٌّ وَاحِدٌ،
Says 'iilahuna

-CryptoLutheran

Armoured · Mar 22, 2017

Tallguy88 said:
At most you could argue that they worship God the Father. But by denying the Trinity specifically, they deny God as Christians believe Him to be.

Same as Jews.

Tallguy88 · Mar 22, 2017

Armoured said:
Same as Jews.

Exactly.

Adstar · Mar 22, 2017

The name allah is the name of a pagan idol..

Fact::: muhammad was a pagan idol worshiper born into a pagan family and tribe until he became a muslim..
Fact::: muhammads father was a pagan idol worshiper born into a pagan family in a pagan tribe..
Fact::: muhammads grand father was a pagan idol worshiper..

Fact::: muhammads father was named ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abdul-Mutallib
Fact::: The name Abdullah translated means Servant of Allah.

In no way would the grandfather of muhammad a pagan name his son ( the father of muhammad) Abdullah ( servant of allah) if allah was the name of the God of Abraham.. muhammads grand father was a worshiper of idols and rejected the God of Abraham.

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