All these sexually oriented topics...

[Kaelestis721]

It seems like the more popular topics are the ones dealing with sexuality or that are sexually charged instead of ones addressing the ethics or morality going into the "War on Terror", or on worldwide poverty and the greed of major power figures or even governments, or perhaps on the ethics of stem cells or the like.

Is what ppl do behind closed doors really more of an issue then war, murder, starvations, and beneficial/inheirently (sp?) evil medical research?

 

[Mling]

No, but, ending world poverty is an unattainable goal (and not even desirable to some, as it would require personal sacrifice). Getting your neighbor kicked out of the Parent-Teacher association is more realistic, and has the added benifit of making you feel very holy. Like some sort of spiritual warrior.

Just imagine living in a world where evil sodomite ninjas lurk around every corner and you, ONLY YOU stand between them and all the innocent children and puppies and bunnies of the world! Maybe, someday, you'll even get the chance to throw yourself over some endangered child just as a devil-spawned sodomite-ninja is about to abduct him. The child is certainly blond, probably carrying Christmas presents...to donate to the local homeless shelter...yeah, I like that. He's wearing those cute little mittens that have a string through the coat-sleeves, too.
But you've just spotted that demon-spawned sodomite-ninja braced, Spiderman-style under the eave of a near-by building. WHAT DO YOU DO?! The demon-spawned sodomite-ninja pounces and you jump over the child (in slow motion, of course) yelling "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" The demon-spawned sodomite-ninja lands on you instead, and you deliver a quick kick to the kidney. He punches, but you block and return with a left hook. He had not been expecting somebody to fight back, and does a backwards roll into a nearby sewer. He escapes, but you know...one day....you will find him.

The little blond boy (about 8 years old) pushes his hat back from where it's fallen over his eyes and stares up at you with awe and wonder. "Thank you for saving me, mister! You're my hero!" He hugs you so hard you stumble back a bit. Just then, his mother runs up.

"Oh, oh dear heavens!" she pants. "I turned my back for a moment and he crossed the street by himself. He was just so eager to deliver these Christmas presents to the poor children at the homeless shelter...but then I saw the demon-spawned sodomite-ninja! [hear she nearly swoons, and needs to take a moment to compose herself] How, how can I ever repay you?!"

You strike a casual John Wayne pose and say "It was nothing, ma'am. All in a day's work." And then you mosey away, disappearing into the crowd.



Really, who would give up that fantasy for a pencil-pushing reality?

 

[Spherical Time]

It seems like the more popular topics are the ones dealing with sexuality or that are sexually charged instead of ones addressing the ethics or morality going into the "War on Terror", or on worldwide poverty and the greed of major power figures or even governments, or perhaps on the ethics of stem cells or the like.

Is what ppl do behind closed doors really more of an issue then war, murder, starvations, and beneficial/inheirently (sp?) evil medical research?

To Christians it seems to be very important.

 

[craigerNY]

I know. I have not been here long but here and current events I have always been happy with. Discussion, some arguing but varied. Lately it has been all sex. I like sex but man we have been burried in discussion about it.

release everyone, release for crying out.

 

[Stinker]

I think the reason that Christians concentrate on homosexuality or transexuality, is because this lone issue is the one that ultra conservatives think does the most damage to (their) Christianity.

If it is ever proved that people are born with a nature opposite of their physical body, then their Bible interpretations on this issue (Leviticus passages, etc.) are wrong. So the reasoning goes that if the Bible (their interpretation) condemns people born different, then it is wrong itself.

 

[CCGirl]

I think that the ones who post many of these topics clearly are obsessed with what other consenting adults do behind closed doors. It is worrying.

 

[PassionFruit]

It seems like the more popular topics are the ones dealing with sexuality or that are sexually charged instead of ones addressing the ethics or morality going into the "War on Terror", or on worldwide poverty and the greed of major power figures or even governments, or perhaps on the ethics of stem cells or the like.

Is what ppl do behind closed doors really more of an issue then war, murder, starvations, and beneficial/inheirently (sp?) evil medical research?

I guess it is. Since I've been on this forum I never really seen much discussion on human rights issues and the issues you've mentioned (then again I haven't been on this forum that long) but yes I've noticed that as well.

 

[sbvera13]

Because taking extreme violent action against people not like ourselves does not go against the conservative christian mindset. Sexual liberation does. Since this is a christian website, whether the topics are started by christians or by people challenging christians, the topics will lean toward that conservative mindset.

 

[Foolish_Fool]

I think the reason that Christians concentrate on homosexuality or transexuality, is because this lone issue is the one that ultra conservatives think does the most damage to (their) Christianity.

If it is ever proved that people are born with a nature opposite of their physical body, then their Bible interpretations on this issue (Leviticus passages, etc.) are wrong. So the reasoning goes that if the Bible (their interpretation) condemns people born different, then it is wrong itself.

I think that's probabbly the biggest reason. As crazy as it sounds, two dudes gittin' it on is a threat to their fundamentalist belief. Then again, pretty much everything new has challanged old beliefs. Spherical earth, Earth going around the sun, evolution, etc... At first they are met with resistance, but over time the religion adapts to reality and they realize "these things don't disprove God, merely our ideas about him."

Although the sodomizing ninjas is a close second.

 

[Kaelestis721]

I think the reason that Christians concentrate on homosexuality or transexuality, is because this lone issue is the one that ultra conservatives think does the most damage to (their) Christianity.

If it is ever proved that people are born with a nature opposite of their physical body, then their Bible interpretations on this issue (Leviticus passages, etc.) are wrong. So the reasoning goes that if the Bible (their interpretation) condemns people born different, then it is wrong itself.

I guess that this is a pretty interesting point...something I haven't thought about.

I take this as a lack of faith however. If a person's faith can be shattered by finding out that perhaps certain ideaologies (sp?) or passages in the holy scripture are perhaps incorrect then I do not believe that they have a strong faith...since I fail to see how such findings would theoretically erase "God" from their minds and the underlying principles and teachings of Him. Especially since I was raised under the assumption that Jesus taught us to reach out and accept all...even if they had been thrown to the wayside by society.

 

[TheManeki]

Perhaps if fundamentalists explored why they held certain beliefs, instead of just blindly accepting what they are told, they could tolerate challenges better.

 

[.Sabre.]

Perhaps if fundamentalists explored why they held certain beliefs, instead of just blindly accepting what they are told, they could tolerate challenges better.

Exactly.

 

[Phred]

This isn't about sex. It's about separating out one group from the rest and attacking them for political gain. It seems it's acceptable to separate out the homosexuals and to use Christians to do it. After all... how do you defend a child-molesting, ruin-the-fabric-of-America, AIDS-carrying, promiscuous scumbag?

As an example, in every campaign Karl Rove has run when the opponent got too close or took the lead suddenly the issue of gays or gay marriage came forward. Why? Because it's acceptable to most people to view them just as I described above. Defend gays and you may as well be defending an axe murderer. Spend time on that issue and you lose on the rest of the issues you were winning on.

The entire issue is one giant "have you stopped hitting your wife" question. There's no way to address it without [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing off someone unless you say you're against homosexuals and gay marriage. Then sure, you [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] off a few voters but most "righteous Christians" will either agree with you or not be too offended by you. Sure, they might not like what you say but it really doesn't affect them. "It's just a few perverts," they think.

But for some of us it's not about being gay or picking on gays. It's about being human. It's about using the Bible to separate out some humans from the rest of us and abusing them by treating them differently than the rest of us. It's not just a few perverts. It's our friends and relatives... hell, in some cases it's us. We've been through this before... last time it was black folks. "It's just a few [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s," they thought. Now we don't even use that word any longer. It's time we started changing minds about homosexuals just like we did about African-Americans. How long do you think it would take before the Bible would be retranslated from homosexual to effeminate? How long did it take before everyone just decided the sun didn't really orbit the earth.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Fear is a prime motivator. Excellent posts, everyone.

Antigay bigotry sure seems irrational when subject to analyses like these.

 

[Kaelestis721]

This isn't about sex. It's about separating out one group from the rest and attacking them for political gain. It seems it's acceptable to separate out the homosexuals and to use Christians to do it. After all... how do you defend a child-molesting, ruin-the-fabric-of-America, AIDS-carrying, promiscuous scumbag?

As an example, in every campaign Karl Rove has run when the opponent got too close or took the lead suddenly the issue of gays or gay marriage came forward. Why? Because it's acceptable to most people to view them just as I described above. Defend gays and you may as well be defending an axe murderer. Spend time on that issue and you lose on the rest of the issues you were winning on.

The entire issue is one giant "have you stopped hitting your wife" question. There's no way to address it without [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing off someone unless you say you're against homosexuals and gay marriage. Then sure, you [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] off a few voters but most "righteous Christians" will either agree with you or not be too offended by you. Sure, they might not like what you say but it really doesn't affect them. "It's just a few perverts," they think.

But for some of us it's not about being gay or picking on gays. It's about being human. It's about using the Bible to separate out some humans from the rest of us and abusing them by treating them differently than the rest of us. It's not just a few perverts. It's our friends and relatives... hell, in some cases it's us. We've been through this before... last time it was black folks. "It's just a few [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s," they thought. Now we don't even use that word any longer. It's time we started changing minds about homosexuals just like we did about African-Americans. How long do you think it would take before the Bible would be retranslated from homosexual to effeminate? How long did it take before everyone just decided the sun didn't really orbit the earth.

Very nice post.

I'd like to hear a rebuttal from one of these 'sexually charged' topic creators however..or perhaps from those who are active participants from the discussions occurring in said threads...so far they are most disappointingly absent it seems

 

[selfinflikted]

It seems like the more popular topics are the ones dealing with sexuality or that are sexually charged instead of ones addressing the ethics or morality going into the "War on Terror", or on worldwide poverty and the greed of major power figures or even governments, or perhaps on the ethics of stem cells or the like.

Is what ppl do behind closed doors really more of an issue then war, murder, starvations, and beneficial/inheirently (sp?) evil medical research?

If you were gay and had suffered any verbal or physical abuse at the hands of christians simply for being who you are, you'd find the topic pretty important.
It's not what people do behind closed doors that attracts me to those threads, it's what christians do out in plain sight.

 

[Kaelestis721]

Well I apologize for offending you, I am just trying to understand how such issues can come to the forefront in an 'ethics and morality' forums when we have such other serious world issues going on at the moment.

If my lifestyle was attacked, I too would fight to defend it...so, I can understand you defending yourselves but would like to ask if you, also, don't find it bothersome that questions of your lifestyle and attacks (or defensive threads) are made more commonly and are more popular then other, life threatening issues?

 

[JadeTigress]

Sex threads make me happy.

 

[Ramona]

If you were gay and had suffered any verbal or physical abuse at the hands of christians simply for being who you are, you'd find the topic pretty important.
It's not what people do behind closed doors that attracts me to those threads, it's what christians do out in plain sight.

Exactly. The issue of civil rights cannot be ignored.

 

[.Sabre.]

Exactly. The issue of civil rights cannot be ignored.

That is true.