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I’d want to know the truth. Which you are not peddling here.
 
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One of the perils of capitalism. I am a drinker and a hobbyist brewer but would agree that there should be less advertising in this area. It is something that should be approached with an understanding that it is a potent drug and has ruined many lives.
 
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The Bible says that Jesus made wine for people.


And you cannot prove that Jesus made fermented wine.

God does not temp any man with evil (James 1:13) so it would have been a sin for Jesus to deliver to these people alcoholic wine as this would have been delivering to them the temptation to get drunk which is sinful behavior.

So the Lord would not be placing temptation in front of them, so the "wine" he created would not have been fermented wine that people could drink and get drunk on.
 
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You cannot discuss theology in the Kitchen Sink.
 
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Humans. Wedding. Wine.

Anyone who knows humans knows it was fermented.

Plus
Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress

As for temptation, how do you explain secual desire, which God seems to have given us? Its this terrific thing, but wow can it tempt us the wrong way.
 
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Anyone who knows humans knows it was fermented.


Anyone who knows the Lord Jesus, knows it was NOT fermented because of James 1:13


you cannot discuss theology in the Kitchen Sink.

Sorry, others were discussing this so I thought that's what we were doing with this tropic.

What section would a topic like this belong in?
 
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Anyone who knows the Lord Jesus, knows it was NOT fermented because of James 1:13




Sorry, others were discussing this so I thought that's what we were doing with this tropic.

What section would a topic like this belong in?
Usually general theology.

 
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Anyone who knows the Lord Jesus, knows it was NOT fermented because of James 1:13
Thats vague as to exactly what situations it applies to. Meanwhile, the proverb I provided is inescapably specific. Plus no way were people at a wedding going to be thrilled by this weird NA wine.

For sure the Bible counsels against excessive wine consumption in many instances.
 
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you cannot discuss theology in the Kitchen Sink.

Maybe in the toilet, but NOT the Kitchen Sink.
 
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That is if it were evil. Wine was intoxicating in the Bible. Drunkards are not referring to any drinking. Preachers have made their own bias and then tried to make Scripture support it. I've been in churches that taught total abstinence and if you have or ever had a problem in this area then by all means abstain but if not I certainly find no Scriptures saying alcohol is evil. Sorry, but the Bible seems clear that some were miraculously intoxicated on what many call grape juice.
 
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Sounds good. I’m avoiding alcohol right now because I’m on antibiotics for a few more days.
Hope you feel better soon!
 
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