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Not to be wishy washy, but the answer is... it depends.
The short answer is no, it is not a sin. Only a select few such the nazerites were required to abstain totally from alcohol
on the other hand, some feel very strongly that they should not drink. If one feels that way and compramises, it would be a sin.
Paul also talks at great length about not causing another to stumble. If you drink (lest say just occasionally) and never get drunk, and another person sees you drinking and then dertermines it is ok to drink (but that person can't handle it), you have created a real problem.
I will go on record as saying that I do like an occasional beer. I probably buy a couple of six packs a year. Most of my christian friends do not drink so I never drink around them It is not that they don't know I like beer, it is just that it would bother them and otherwise tempt them to do something against their principles.
Well... that should be as clear as buttermilk.
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The short answer is no, it is not a sin. Only a select few such the nazerites were required to abstain totally from alcohol
on the other hand, some feel very strongly that they should not drink. If one feels that way and compramises, it would be a sin.
Paul also talks at great length about not causing another to stumble. If you drink (lest say just occasionally) and never get drunk, and another person sees you drinking and then dertermines it is ok to drink (but that person can't handle it), you have created a real problem.
I will go on record as saying that I do like an occasional beer. I probably buy a couple of six packs a year. Most of my christian friends do not drink so I never drink around them It is not that they don't know I like beer, it is just that it would bother them and otherwise tempt them to do something against their principles.
Well... that should be as clear as buttermilk.
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Remember Paul prescribing wine for Timothy's stomach problem?
It is ok to drink, but not to get drunk.
It is ok to drink, but not to get drunk.
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Seeing that our Saviour Himself drank wine, and it is known that He was sinless... Then I would conclude it alright to consume alcohol. As Solo66 says... be master of the drink, not the drink master over you...
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2 Tim. 2:24-26
That is true solo66man, but Paul is prescribing it to Timothy for medicinal purposes, not social drinking.
I heard John MacArthur preach a series on this subject and it was very compelling in presenting that Christians shouldn't drink at all.
Maybe he has a transcript at his web site. I'll look and see.
God Bless
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Good point Apologist.
I would like to add the following bits of principles for Christian living.
1. We shouldn't do anything that would cause our brothers and sisters in Christ to stumble
2. We still need to be a light for all men to see and salt to the world - people who are searching need to see that there is something different about our lives that sets us apart from them.
3. As Christian we are to be in control of our actions at all times - so we should not take things to there extremes when those extremes take us outside of how God expects us to act.
4. Our body is God's Holy Temple - it's not ours to do with as we wish.
Just for my own personal opinion - I grew up in a very alcoholic accessible environment with all of it's ugly trappings. Growing up, I've never had the desire to even try any type of alcohol or liquor. I'm now 32 and am able to say that I've never had a drink in my life. That's not something I'm bragging about - I just want to use it to make a point. I have several Christian friends who partake occasionly and I never begrudge them or look down upon them. They are extremely responsible and they try to be as congnizant of those in whose presence they do this as they don't wish to be a stumbling block to anyone.
I just think that caution and care should be taken if you choose to drink. It shouldn't be something that you do capriciously or out of peer pressure.
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Shawn
I would like to add the following bits of principles for Christian living.
1. We shouldn't do anything that would cause our brothers and sisters in Christ to stumble
2. We still need to be a light for all men to see and salt to the world - people who are searching need to see that there is something different about our lives that sets us apart from them.
3. As Christian we are to be in control of our actions at all times - so we should not take things to there extremes when those extremes take us outside of how God expects us to act.
4. Our body is God's Holy Temple - it's not ours to do with as we wish.
Just for my own personal opinion - I grew up in a very alcoholic accessible environment with all of it's ugly trappings. Growing up, I've never had the desire to even try any type of alcohol or liquor. I'm now 32 and am able to say that I've never had a drink in my life. That's not something I'm bragging about - I just want to use it to make a point. I have several Christian friends who partake occasionly and I never begrudge them or look down upon them. They are extremely responsible and they try to be as congnizant of those in whose presence they do this as they don't wish to be a stumbling block to anyone.
I just think that caution and care should be taken if you choose to drink. It shouldn't be something that you do capriciously or out of peer pressure.
humbly,
Shawn
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Wasn't also juice called "wine" in the bible?
Look what happens when people go to bars, people become drunk and promiscuous, which sometimes leads to pre marital sex and all kinds of attrocities.
I also like an occasional beer, but I would have to think God would frown upon social drinking.
A drink or 2 at home may be OK, but going to bars and social gatherings to drink and get buzzed IMO, God would not approve.
Look what happens when people go to bars, people become drunk and promiscuous, which sometimes leads to pre marital sex and all kinds of attrocities.
I also like an occasional beer, but I would have to think God would frown upon social drinking.
A drink or 2 at home may be OK, but going to bars and social gatherings to drink and get buzzed IMO, God would not approve.
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Do we know for sure that the wine our savior drank was actually fermented? Or was it just juice of the fruit?
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My answer is more of a testimony than advice. It's up to each individual on how they take my testimony.
First let me state that wine seems to be a drink of choice, but not often are the people of the bible considered drunk. Lot got drunk (because of his daughters and their plans for continuing life on earth since they assume they were the last living souls on earth, and Noah not long after the flood. In neither situation did good come from it. In Noah, he blamed one of his sons and cursed him, and kicked him out because he was seen drunk and naked. As far as I am concerned, Noah was completely wrong. His son had no way of knowing he was naked, and did the right thing in informing his brothers. They ended up covering their father by walking in backwards, but then they let Noah know how they knew he was naked. So it seems to be the same coverup most alcoholics do to this day.
In the other case, it lead to incest and children from that incest.
Now for the testimony. 24 years ago (more or less) the drinking age in Illinois was only 18. I had a horrible home life and once I could drink, I started just to stay away from home as often as possible. I did this for over 2 years. I drank , every night, $20 on 50 cent drafts (Yes, 40 drafts a night, 7 days a week) I was one of the group, an old timer in the bar, and very popular. Then one day, I decided I would just drink soda the entire night.
As the night wore on, those friends of mine who I thought were cool, started acting more and more moronic, and beligerent. And while I was noticing this, I was almost physically slapped in the head with the realization that I acted the exact same way as I got drunker. I realized that while they were jerks (I would use the true terminology, but this is a christian forum) I was too. I was spending $140 a week to be a "jerk". It occured to me that I could be a jerk for free and save that money. I quit drinking that day, and have only touched wine or a drink a few times since then, and not once inn the past 8 years.
The sin isn't in taking A drink, it is what you do after how many drinks you end up taking. It just makes it so much easier to find yourself sinning in some other way because while drinking your mind ISN'T on God or Jesus, it is on that drink and the person you are trying to impress, or anything else that brought you there drinking.
I heard for years that beer is great when you are thirsty. So is Ice Tea, and I can not drink 40 of them in a day. I couldn't drink 40 glasses of water either. I couldn't drink a 6 pack of water in an hour, yet this is normal for many of us. So beer does not cure thirst, or you wouldn't be able to take more and more.
Anyway, like I said, take my tesimony how you each choose. I do know I have had more money, and more happiness than I ever did while drinking. So I will remain far from anything that effects my thoughts on God and Jesus.
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It was wine but it was watered down for daily drinking. But it is believed that the water Jesus turned into wine, was the genuine stuff. Wine was the norm, partly, because of the lack of refridgeration. Milk was not widely drunken because of there dietary laws.
Now, if we are in a situation where having a single glass of wine or beer will cause someone to sin because they dont believe it is a sin to drink or it will interfere somehow with our witness to others, then, according to the apostle Paul, we should not drink that glass of wine.
Now, if we are in a situation where having a single glass of wine or beer will cause someone to sin because they dont believe it is a sin to drink or it will interfere somehow with our witness to others, then, according to the apostle Paul, we should not drink that glass of wine.
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I think being drunk is a sin.
originally posted by his_saving_grace
The sin isn't in taking A drink, it is what you do after how many drinks you end up taking. It just makes it so much easier to find yourself sinning in some other way because while drinking your mind ISN'T on God or Jesus, it is on that drink and the person you are trying to impress, or anything else that brought you there drinking.
I think this is a good statement.
I personally do not drink. I am an alcoholic. Alcohol has a different effect on me. I have a complete personality change, can't stop at one, and could end up blacking out for the evening or end up missing for a few days ... Alcohol and I do not get along at all.
I have been sober for 13 years.
God Bless,
Roberta
originally posted by his_saving_grace
The sin isn't in taking A drink, it is what you do after how many drinks you end up taking. It just makes it so much easier to find yourself sinning in some other way because while drinking your mind ISN'T on God or Jesus, it is on that drink and the person you are trying to impress, or anything else that brought you there drinking.
I think this is a good statement.
I personally do not drink. I am an alcoholic. Alcohol has a different effect on me. I have a complete personality change, can't stop at one, and could end up blacking out for the evening or end up missing for a few days ... Alcohol and I do not get along at all.
I have been sober for 13 years.
God Bless,
Roberta
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I know what it is like when one drink leads to another.
To me just the sight of alcohol is sickening. It brings back memories of times that if it werent for the Lord, I would have walked away from my mom and brothers. I am so very grateful that Jesus saved them and delivered them from their alcoholism.
To me it is a sin to drink. Not everyone stops at one, or even two.
And if a person does then they are rare indeed.
Each person has their own perspective on the issue of alcohol, and the above is mine. Some people have horror stories associated with alcohol, some have never went through the bad side of alcohol. I guess your view depends on what you have experienced first hand.
I guess we will only know for sure when we get to heaven and ask the Lord.
To me just the sight of alcohol is sickening. It brings back memories of times that if it werent for the Lord, I would have walked away from my mom and brothers. I am so very grateful that Jesus saved them and delivered them from their alcoholism.
To me it is a sin to drink. Not everyone stops at one, or even two.
And if a person does then they are rare indeed.
Each person has their own perspective on the issue of alcohol, and the above is mine. Some people have horror stories associated with alcohol, some have never went through the bad side of alcohol. I guess your view depends on what you have experienced first hand.
I guess we will only know for sure when we get to heaven and ask the Lord.
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Let me bump this up a notch. Many insurance companies, employers and state motor vehicle departments, consider a person technicaly "impaired" after consuming only one drink. Do these standards exceed God's?
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Two things are for sure:
1) You won't ever get drunk if you don't drink, and
2) Whatever you decide, you can't choose for somebody else.
Be prudent, be wise, be patient, be forgiving. Do all that, and alchohol will never be a problem for you, and you won't be a problem for other people. Sometimes, in the alchohol debate, we may forget that both of those - our own consumption of alchohol and how we deal with the subject with our fellow man - are of equal concern.
God bless!
Kevin
1) You won't ever get drunk if you don't drink, and
2) Whatever you decide, you can't choose for somebody else.
Be prudent, be wise, be patient, be forgiving. Do all that, and alchohol will never be a problem for you, and you won't be a problem for other people. Sometimes, in the alchohol debate, we may forget that both of those - our own consumption of alchohol and how we deal with the subject with our fellow man - are of equal concern.
God bless!
Kevin
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look at it this way. When the rules on drinking were established some people were told not to drink. and everyone else was told not to drink anything strong, and not to get drunk.
and by anything stong i take that as hard liquar. i only drink beer (and i only have a few+2 ) no more mixed drinks.
rule 1) never drink along (always sit infront of a mirror) hehehhe
ok ok ok i know we have some alci's here. so ill just say this i watch it pull my family apart we had alot of drug abusers/law offenders/alki's in my house growing up so i know what its like.
and by anything stong i take that as hard liquar. i only drink beer (and i only have a few+2 ) no more mixed drinks.
rule 1) never drink along (always sit infront of a mirror) hehehhe
ok ok ok i know we have some alci's here. so ill just say this i watch it pull my family apart we had alot of drug abusers/law offenders/alki's in my house growing up so i know what its like.
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Misc. fact:
The alcohol content is the the same in one shot of whiskey, one glass of wine, or one bottle/can of beer.
The alcohol content is the the same in one shot of whiskey, one glass of wine, or one bottle/can of beer.
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yeah i learned that one at Parkplace.
Sometimes it makes ya wish the Bible was a bit more consise in exactly what strong liquar is.
Sometimes it makes ya wish the Bible was a bit more consise in exactly what strong liquar is.
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You might look at it this way: since we are no longer under the old Jewish law, the kind of hair-splittling that they would often engage in ("what really is hard liquor?...") is not the way that we are to approach such a question. The guidelines we are given are not to get drunk, to avoid strong drink (likely for the same purpose), and to avoid stumbling our neighbor. There's enough there to go on; we don't have to scratch our chins and wonder what the Bible means by "strong drink."
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"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; " Ephesians 5:18
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