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Alchemy and the World Religions

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"The Art of al-Kimia is the summa, the perfection of sages, the prophets, the saints; it is the goal and process of the famous hermetic phrase 'as above , so below'. This sacrad art has no purpose outside the precepts of Natures laws. The alchemist is aware that all creation is solely dependent upon the Creator and that nothing is achieved outside the will of God. He understands, rather, that his work, indeed his very existence, is the will of God, al-Kimia accelerates the natural evolutionary process in order to accomplish, insh'Allah, the spiritualization of matter and the materialization of the Holy Spirit. "


The form of Alchemy known in the West has it's origin in ancient Egypt (though a separate strain developed both in India and China at an early date as well) and was closely connected with metalsmithing. It's origin is traced to the Egyptian culture hero Hermes Trismegistus who is also known as the Prophet Idris by Muslims. In the early centuries AD this art was propagated in the multi cultural milieu of Alexandria and spread to Jewish and Christian practitioners. In the Christian world this art was eventually suppressed and was carried on mostly by hermits and monastics though certain rulers where more tolerant than others. It's practice in Christendom didn't again become widespread until the Renaissance.

With the advent of Islam the Arab world quickly took up the sacred art as well. It came to be most closely connected with the Shi'ite Imams and particularly with Imam Jafir as-Sadiq (as). This Imam was the alchemical instructor of the famous Geber or Jabir ibn Hayyan whose fame spread even to Europe.

Another famous Islamic Alchemist was Khalid ibn Yazid who eventual rose to the office of caliph of the Umayyad dynasty. Before taking office he came upon an ancient alchemical text and couldn't understand it so he invited all the local Alchemist to his large estate to train him. He didn't find any of their explanations worthwhile until a Christian monk named Morienus came in from isolation in the desert to teach him. Then he dissapeared as mysteriously as he came only to arrive at a later date to help his disciple in the Art when it was most needed.

I will write more later.

Basically I'm interested in what people think about Alchemy and what influence they see it as having played in their religion.
 

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I thought alchemy was the quest to turn common metals into gold and silver. It was a precursor to chemistry but has no direct influence in my religious tradition.

Hermes Trismegistus pops up now and then because of the philosophical work known as The Kybalion which is based on his teachings. It talks about 7 principles which are rather ambiguous. I think I added some of it into my book of shadows (if you want to call it that), but really only for reference purposes.
 
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There are spiritual and psychological (the psychologist Carl Jung was very interested in the psychological aspect) processes that symbolizes with the chemical processes. That's why they often stress that it's "philosophic mercury" rather than just "mercury" for example. Mercury is a certain reality that can be found in the soul. Gold is pure solar consciousness that transcends death. There were many alchemists who sought only to created literal gold and get rich but the Spiritual Alchemists called these people derisively "puffers" (because of an apparatus they used.)

An early Islamic ascetic wrote a book called "The Alchemy of Hunger" and al Ghazzali wrote a famous treatise called "The Alchemy of Happiness".
 
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See good old trusty wikipedia

n the eyes of a variety of esoteric and Hermetic practitioners, the heart of alchemy is spiritual. Transmutation of lead into gold is presented as an analogy for personal transmutation, purification, and perfection.[4] This approach is often termed 'spiritual', 'esoteric', or 'internal' alchemy. Early alchemists, such as Zosimos of Panopolis (c. 300 A.D.), highlight the spiritual nature of the alchemical quest, symbolic of a religious regeneration of the human soul.[14] This approach continued in the Middle Ages, as metaphysical aspects, substances, physical states, and material processes were used as metaphors for spiritual entities, spiritual states, and, ultimately, transformation. In this sense, the literal meanings of 'Alchemical Formulas' were a blind, hiding their true spiritual philosophy. Practitioners and patrons such as Melchior Cibinensis and Pope Innocent VIII existed within the ranks of the church, while Martin Luther applauded alchemy for its consistency with Christian teachings.[15] Both the transmutation of common metals into gold and the universal panacea symbolized evolution from an imperfect, diseased, corruptible, and ephemeral state towards a perfect, healthy, incorruptible, and everlasting state; and the philosopher's stone then represented a mystic key that would make this evolution possible. Applied to the alchemist himself, the twin goal symbolized his evolution from ignorance to enlightenment, and the stone represented a hidden spiritual truth or power that would lead to that goal. In texts that are written according to this view, the cryptic alchemical symbols, diagrams, and textual imagery of late alchemical works typically contain multiple layers of meanings, allegories, and references to other equally cryptic works; and must be laboriously decoded to discover their true meaning.
In his 1766 Alchemical Catechism, Théodore Henri de Tschudi denotes that his usage of the metals was a symbol:
“ Q. When the Philosophers speak of gold and silver, from which they extract their matter, are we to suppose that they refer to the vulgar gold and silver? A. By no means; vulgar silver and gold are dead, while those of the Philosophers are full of life.[16]
” During the renaissance, alchemy broke into more distinct schools placing spiritual alchemists in high contrast with those working with literal metals and chemicals.[17] While most spiritual alchemists also incorporate elements of exotericism, examples of a purely spiritual alchemy can be traced back as far as the sixteenth century, when Jacob Boehme used alchemical terminology in strictly mystical writings.[18] Another example can be found in the work of Heinrich Khunrath (1560–1605) who viewed the process of transmutation as occurring within the alchemist's soul.[17]
The recent work of Principe and Newman, seeks to reject the 'spiritual interpretation' of alchemy, stating it arose as a product of the Victorian occult revival.[19] There is evidence to support that some classical alchemical sources were adulterated during this time to give greater weight to the spiritual aspects of alchemy.[20][21] Despite this, other scholars such as Calian and Tilton reject this view as entirely historically inaccurate, drawing examples of historical spiritual alchemy from Boehme, Isaac Newton, and Michael Maier.[22http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#cite_note-21
 
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He understands, rather, that his work, indeed his very existence, is the will of God, al-Kimia accelerates the natural evolutionary process in order to accomplish, insh'Allah, the spiritualization of matter and the materialization of the Holy Spirit.
This is my perspective only. Being that the Human Being, more than any other in Creation is made to respond to Love, for the Lover of God, Love IS at the heart of the Alchemical process. Love is the magic that stirs the pot that makes alchemy possible in the Human Being.

So from that perspective, the only difference that I see between the various authentic spiritual alchemy processes is in first, how Love is brought forth to polish ones heart so that the true Self is allowed to shine forth and second in how the ego or false self is left behind. It’s the combination of the two sides where Love and lost of ego self opens things up so that the purification can take place. The way to get from here to there is what creates the "form" or spiritual path one takes.

When I look at Christianity, Jesus Christ, to my eyes, was the perfect teacher of the Alchemical process. Love thy Neighbor and forgive others who have wronged you and help those in need are pretty basic lessens to learn in any Alchemical teachings. Experiencing the essence of the Divine Source through Jesus, that can go a long way towards the Alchemical process as well. Why? Because the very essence of both Christ and God IS Love and the ego self HAS to be dropped in order to experience the Divine through Christ.

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Other than the fact that there were alchemists in Western Europe which was thoroughly Christianized for quite some time, it has zero influence religiously; and even in the case of that historical tidbit, it's still basically irrelevant. It's never been part of the Christian Tradition, East or West.

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So from that perspective, the only difference that I see between the various authentic spiritual alchemy processes is in first, how Love is brought forth to polish ones heart so that the true Self is allowed to shine forth and second in how the ego or false self is left behind.
In the other thread we have been talking about Rumi and he often wrote about the Alchemical work. He talks about rubbing / polishing with philosopher's stone :

If the truths (realities) were manifest, the religious laws would be naught. As [for example], when copper becomes gold or was gold originally, it does not need the alchemy which is the law, nor need it rub itself upon the philosopher's stone, which operation is the fath; for as has been said, it is unseemly to demand a guide after arrival at the goal, and it is blameworthy to discard the guide before arrival at the goal. In short, the Law is like learning the theory of alchemy from a teacher or a book, and the path [Tariqa or Sufi path] is like making use of chemicals and rubbing copper upon the the philosopher's stone, and the Truth is like the transmutation of the copper into gold. Those who know the theory of the science'; and those who practice it rejoice in their practice of it, saying 'We perform such works'; and those who have become gold and are delivered from the theory and practice of alchemy: we are Gods freedmen."

Rumi, The Mathnawi
 
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The Dominican Friar Saint Albertus Magnus was probably one of the more influential alchemists in the West. Saint Thomas Aquinas placed himself under St Magnus's tuition and some believe that he also learned the Art from him. There have also been a few Alchemical text authored in St Thomas's name but their authorship is contested. Their contemporary Roger Bacon was also a famous alchemist:

"Alchemy found its way west according to tradition in the middle of the 12th century, caning in the form of Arabic manuscripts on the subject.The first translation was made by Robert of Chester in 1144, and by the beginning of the 13th century almost a dozen texts had been translated including The Emerald Table, attributed to the "god Hermes Trismegister. In this movement west Albert Magnus (St.Albert) 1200-1280); Roger Bacon the father of the experimental method; and Thomas Aquinas 1235-1271, all investigated to one degree or another the theories of the new subject. It was Magnus and Bacon who were to take the art seriously enough to investigate it systematically. St.Albert's studies were made mostly through the work of Avicenna. His writing on the art are also voluminous, characterized by "his tempering statements of moderation; trying to make every ascertain clear.24 A truly difficult task considering alchemy's paradoxical nature. St. Albert's most famous work De rubus Metallicis et Mineralibus in 1214, helped spread the facts and theories of alchemy across Europe.


A contemporary, Roger Bacon, also believed there was much to learn from alchemy in its practical, chemical experiments. His interest was purely experimental, "dividing alchemy into its theoretical or speculative aspect and its practical operative aspect.25 His dismissal of the approach to science. It could not be demonstrated in the laboratory, and confirmed by scientific demonstration, Bacon would say, then it wasn't worthwhile."


[SIZE=+1]-Ed Reither[/SIZE], University of New Orleans
The Great Art - Alchemy
 
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Other than the fact that there were alchemists in Western Europe which was thoroughly Christianized for quite some time, it has zero influence religiously; and even in the case of that historical tidbit, it's still basically irrelevant. It's never been part of the Christian Tradition, East or West.

-CryptoLutheran
I'm aware that the word "Alchemy" is generally not in the Christian language per say, but I have no idea how one can know the Father through Jesus Christ and NOT have some sort of spiritual Alchemy take place.

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There are some alchemical references in the Baha'i Writings but they are essentially used as a spiritual allegory:

"Blessed is the Merciful One: Who created man: and taught him utterance.* After all these troubles, neither are the ministers of state content, nor the doctors of the church. Not one soul was found to utter a word for God before the court of His Majesty the King (may God perpetuate his kingdom). There shall not befall Us aught save that which God hath decreed unto Us. They acted not kindly, nor was there any shortcoming in the display of evil. Justice became like the phoenix, and faithfulness like the philosopher's stone: none spake for the right.

~ Abdu'l-Baha quoting Baha'u'llah in A Traveller's Narrative, p. 47



I did come across this historical reference by H.M. Balyuzi:

Ar-Razi was a profound philosopher and alchemist as well. His alchemy laid the foundations of modern chemistry. Sirr al-Asrar (The Mystery of Mysteries, Secretum Secrotorum in Latin), his book on alchemy, has the great merit of dispensing with legend, to rely on laboratory techniques and clear scientific analysis. He used instruments and methods previously unknown.

In this field ar-Razi was preceded by Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber to the West): Although Jabir was primarily an alchemist, it was he who first crossed the borderline from the murkiness of his ancient craft to the clarity of scientific precision. Jabir was a native of the city of Tus and rose to fame in Baghdad. There he enjoyed the patronage of the House of Barmak and became a follower of the sixth Imam, Ja'far as-Sadiq. The fall of the Barmecides forced Jabir to abandon Baghdad for Kufah. It is believed that he died in his native city in the year 815. Many are the works attributed to Jabir Ibn Hayyan, but modern research has indicated that Isma'ili scholars of a later period had a hand in composing many of them. Translated into Latin, Jabir's works had a certain vogue in the West and were even preferred to ar-Razi's Book of Mysteries.


~ H.M. Balyuzi, Muhammad and the Course of Islam, p. 295
 
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God gave us rad things to discover and explore! And they are all miraculous because they have been spoken into existence by Him through Jesus Christ the Lord! The Living God! Son of the Most High God! Such wonderful and miraculous things as Math...science...history...zoology....space...relationships with others and His Word. God is fulfilling because He is the way, the truth and the life. No one goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ! And no one has the power to give eternal life except by Jesus Christ. All you have to do is believe Him for it, no matter what you have done, and He will give it to you freely! That is spectacular and more than my finite mind can imagine, or be thankful for!

Drunk on Love, you said "al-Kimia accelerates the natural evolutionary process in order to accomplish, insh'Allah, the spiritualization of matter and the materialization of the Holy Spirit. "

I would be careful of what you teach about the Holy Spirit friend. He is a part of God, and He did make all things on earth beautiful. He can even live in you and teach you all things about God, if you ask God for eternal life through Jesus Christ. You must believe on God first through Jesus Christ for everlasting life. Then the you and the Holy Spirit will be united forever. He is not someone formed by human hands. Nor will any chemical compound, formula, ritual, rite or experience on drugs...legal or illegal produce or manifest Him.

He can't be bought. He can't be sold. He is God and He has a purpose. To glorify God. The only way you will have a relationship with Him is to simply trust in God for eternal life through Jesus Christ.

John 5:24 says "Truly, truly I say to you, he who hears my word [Jesus Christ's] and believes on He who sent me [God the Father] has eternal life, and will not be condemned, but has passed from death into life."

God loves you so much. This is indeed very true. You don't have to search for Him any other place than in the Holy Bible. Talk to Him, and ask Him to show himself to you. He is indeed good and loving. He is Father. He is the Comforter...He is Wonderful...Counselor, the Mighty God, Everlasting Father...the Prince of Peace! He is Emmanuel *which is translated God with Us! Because He lives with us!*

Read the Holy Bible for yourself and taste and see that the Lord is good! He is indeed a God made without hands.
 
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The only way you will have a relationship with Him is to simply trust in God for eternal life through Jesus Christ.
With out Love in ones heart, I see no way in which anyone can have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I often think that's the stumbling block for why so many only "believe" in Christ. And I ask, why stop with Jesus Christ? Jesus kept pointing towards the Father as the goal. The alchemical process Jesus gave to reach the Father IS through Love, Compassion and Service. Jesus even gave that as the process that one could come to know Him. (Matthew 25). So if one is not teaching Love, Compassion and Service, are they truly teaching Jesus Christ?

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Basically I'm interested in what people think about Alchemy and what influence they see it as having played in their religion.
The outward mind over matter kind of alchemy is a major part in the story of Jesus in Christianity. The miracles in the story are a product or an attempt at Jewish apologetics, in regards to the miracles in the OT. According to Greek thinking, an understanding of God that answers prayers with miracles, is a superstitious understanding. The writers of the Gospels make the point that it isn’t God answering prayers but faith that is producing the miracles. The philosopher’s stone that allows Mary to conceive as a virgin, water to be turned into wine and Lazarus to be raised by Jesus, was faith.

The inward alchemy is aligning yourself with the spirit. Which if aligned correctly; you know what is going on, what needs to be done, with the confidence and compassion to do what the spirit leads you to do. I think that is fairly universal concept, with a whole lot of variance in what people think the spirit is asking of them.
 
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With out Love in ones heart, I see no way in which anyone can have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I often think that's the stumbling block for why so many only "believe" in Christ. And I ask, why stop with Jesus Christ? Jesus kept pointing towards the Father as the goal. The alchemical process Jesus gave to reach the Father IS through Love, Compassion and Service. Jesus even gave that as the process that one could come to know Him. (Matthew 25). So if one is not teaching Love, Compassion and Service, are they truly teaching Jesus Christ?

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The beginning of the relationship between you and God is belief based upon faith.

John 5:24
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.







You have to know God, and His word. That is the beauty of it...how can you love someone that you don't know? Faith is not blind...it is based upon fact. Fact of the Holy Bible. Gods most infallible word.
 
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