Al-lah lied?

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

Moslems believe that their god al-lah gave promises to the people of Israel, in covenant. One of these was to Abraham; father of many nations; through his sons; Isaac and Ishmael. Another promise was given to Isaac, that the Messiah would be sent to his people.

Now al-lah as promised in the Bible continued to give prophets to the peoples of Isaac (Moslems count 25 people as being prophet - See Appendix below). Now we see that after Isaac, there is a number of prophets coming to the Jews until Jesus, being the last. Suddenly, al-lah, if we are to believe the Moslems gets fed up with the Jews and moves his mantle of truth to the Arabs - even though there's no promise with them! The only 'covenant' I'm aware of is the one mentioned in the Bible, and it's not with Ishmael. The fact that they believe al-lah continued to send prophets to the Jews shows that, despite their attempts to re-work Ishmael's legitimacy, recognise that the convent was NOT with him, but with Isaac.

Where is the book of Ishmael that this prophet took with him when he founded the Arab tribes? Surely, the Jews too, would be interested to know what words of God were revealed to the Arabs.

Why did al-lah break his promise?

APPENDIX
"The following are listed as prophets in the Qur'an; their Biblical names are given in parentheses when possible:
Adam آدم
Idris (Enoch) ادريس
Nuh (Noah) نوح
Hud (Heber) هود
Saleh (Shelah) صالح
Ibrahim (Abraham) ابراهيم
Lut (Lot) لوط
Ismail (Ishmael) اسماعيل
Ishaq (Isaac) اسحاق
Yaqub (Jacob) يعقوب
Yusuf (Joseph) يوسف
Shoaib (Jethro) شعيب
Musa (Moses) موسى
Harun (Aaron) هارون
Daud (David) داود
Sulayman (Solomon) سليمان
Ayub (Job) أيوب
Ilyas (Elias) إلياس
Zulkifl (possibly Ezekiel) ذو الكفل
Al-Yasa (Elisha) اليسع
Yunus (Jonah) يونس
Zakariya (Zechariah) زكريا
Yahya (John the Baptist) يحيى
Isa (Jesus) عيسى
Muhammad محمد
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

airren1 · Dec 23, 2004

Montalban said:
Moslems believe that their god al-lah gave promises to the people of Israel, in covenant. One of these was to Abraham; father of many nations; through his sons; Isaac and Ishmael. Another promise was given to Isaac, that the Messiah would be sent to his people.

Now al-lah as promised in the Bible continued to give prophets to the peoples of Isaac (Moslems count 25 people as being prophet - See Appendix below). Now we see that after Isaac, there is a number of prophets coming to the Jews until Jesus, being the last. Suddenly, al-lah, if we are to believe the Moslems gets fed up with the Jews and moves his mantle of truth to the Arabs - even though there's no promise with them! The only 'covenant' I'm aware of is the one mentioned in the Bible, and it's not with Ishmael. The fact that they believe al-lah continued to send prophets to the Jews shows that, despite their attempts to re-work Ishmael's legitimacy, recognise that the convent was NOT with him, but with Isaac.

Where is the book of Ishmael that this prophet took with him when he founded the Arab tribes? Surely, the Jews too, would be interested to know what words of God were revealed to the Arabs.

Why did al-lah break his promise?

APPENDIX
"The following are listed as prophets in the Qur'an; their Biblical names are given in parentheses when possible:
Adam آدم
Idris (Enoch) ادريس
Nuh (Noah) نوح
Hud (Heber) هود
Saleh (Shelah) صالح
Ibrahim (Abraham) ابراهيم
Lut (Lot) لوط
Ismail (Ishmael) اسماعيل
Ishaq (Isaac) اسحاق
Yaqub (Jacob) يعقوب
Yusuf (Joseph) يوسف
Shoaib (Jethro) شعيب
Musa (Moses) موسى
Harun (Aaron) هارون
Daud (David) داود
Sulayman (Solomon) سليمان
Ayub (Job) أيوب
Ilyas (Elias) إلياس
Zulkifl (possibly Ezekiel) ذو الكفل
Al-Yasa (Elisha) اليسع
Yunus (Jonah) يونس
Zakariya (Zechariah) زكريا
Yahya (John the Baptist) يحيى
Isa (Jesus) عيسى
Muhammad محمد
"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

I believe it is the people that lie. YHWH never lies! Many wolves come in sheeps clothing. As your posts state itself, the promise was with Issac, not Ishmael. How could Muhammad be a prophet when he does not fit into the geneological lineage? How exactly do you think YHWH broke his promise?

airren1 · Dec 23, 2004

All Christians do not worship 3 gods, because all do not believe in the trinity. I, as a follower of Jesus, believe in One G-D, the Father, in Jesus, the Messiah, and Son of G-d, and the Holy Spirit. You are right when you say that "Christians" that believe in the trinity are worshipping 3 gods as one.

Disciple4Christ · Dec 23, 2004

Like ive said before, anything other than Christianity is a lie. So why do you people insist on learning and knowing about things that are not true??

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

When was the last time? What has your rant here got to do with the topic at hand? Why don't you address that?

Has your post here got anything to do with al-lah lying?

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

airren1 said:
All Christians do not worship 3 gods, because all do not believe in the trinity. I, as a follower of Jesus, believe in One G-D, the Father, in Jesus, the Messiah, and Son of G-d, and the Holy Spirit. You are right when you say that "Christians" that believe in the trinity are worshipping 3 gods as one.

No Christians worship 3 gods. All Christians worship one triune God.

Farid · Dec 23, 2004

Because allah is true the moon god. When you think about how islam says "allah akbar" = god is great. This is the wrong translation. "allah akbar" means god is greater. Now, either the quran made a very serious mistake in the arabic language. In this case, we would know it is not the word of god. Or allah is greater (than other gods). In this case, we know that the story is true which was told of mohamed. when he wanted to spread the religion about allah, other pagan were against him. So he said that your gods are still true and worshipped BUT ALLAH IS GREATER (THAN THEM ALL).
NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

Farid · Dec 23, 2004

Montalban said:
No Christians worship 3 gods. All Christians worship one triune God.

CERTAINLY HE IS ONE TRIUNE GOD!

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

It will still be interesting to see if Muslim can actually address the issue of why he thinks al-lah made a promise to the Jews, then switched to the Arabs.

Why is it necessary to re-write history to make Ishmael a prophet?

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

airren1 said:
I believe it is the people that lie. YHWH never lies! Many wolves come in sheeps clothing. As your posts state itself, the promise was with Issac, not Ishmael. How could Muhammad be a prophet when he does not fit into the geneological lineage? How exactly do you think YHWH broke his promise?

What religion are you?

ServantofTheOne · Dec 23, 2004

shouldn't this thread be titled "Lies about Allah"

ServantofTheOne · Dec 23, 2004

Farid, you said you are a christian from egypt, i would like to know how do you say "God" in your arabic language.

please correct me if i'm wrong, i believe you say "Allah".

if this is correct then your coreligionist is slandering the god you believe in. what do you think of this?

airren1 · Dec 23, 2004

Montalban said:
What religion are you?

I am a believer in Jesus, Only begotten Son of YHWH, Son of Man, Savior, and Messiah, but I do not believe in, or think the Bible, teaches the trinity. I don't know what"religion" I'd be considered. I believe in one faith.

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

ServantofTheOne said:
shouldn't this thread be titled "Lies about Allah"

Can't you do any better?

It seems it the right of Muslims to make such statements.

Please get back to the issue of why you think Ishmael is a prophet. Where is the Book of Ishamel that he gave to the Arabs?

ServantofTheOne · Dec 23, 2004

as truths are considered to be self evident, so are lies.

Crispie · Dec 23, 2004

I get yelled at when I critisize Catholicism,its nothing new, unfortunately

morningstar2651 · Dec 23, 2004

airren1 said:
YHWH never lies!

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food ... she took of the fruit therof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

He can lie.

morningstar2651 · Dec 23, 2004

Montalban said:
What religion are you?

Why should it matter?

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

morningstar2651 said:
Why should it matter?

That's between that person and me. Why should it matter whether I ask?

Montalban · Dec 23, 2004

morningstar2651 said:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food ... she took of the fruit therof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

He can lie.

This means you don't understand but still does that stop you commenting? When you sin, you die to God. When he ate, he sinned, he died. I suppose next you're going to say that when Christians say we are re-born, it involves some kind of medical procedure - an unbirth?

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