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It could have access to all the recorded musings of people who did have access to the holy spirit.... to the point that its preaching could be indistinguishable from a human's in almost all cases.That's where we get into the "woo-woo" aspects of Christianity. The AI pastor would not have access to the counsel of the Holy Spirit to properly interpret "bible, languages, history, data, facts."
The only reason I can think of is maybe only them not having the ability to emotionally manipulate maybe, etc?Many people have become attached to AI "companions". If AI can replicate a human personality to people's satisfaction, why cant that personality be a preacher?
As a house designer, I absolutely can see AI doing my job. Its a ways off tho. There's so many intersecting variables in this job.Even if we have an AI that is capable of building a house, that's not the same thing as DESIGNING a house. When it comes to works of artistic merit, do you think that can be reduced to an algorithm? It's common knowledge that the AI bots we have creating images and all that today are basically using works created by other artists, chopping them up and recombining them. There's no actual understanding behind it, which is why you have outlandish eighteen fingered hands with thumbs that bend backwards.
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It can mimic the personality of a preacher, but not be an actual preacher, serving the physical roles and functions held by a preacher.Many people have become attached to AI "companions" (and this is the earliest of early days!). If AI can replicate a human personality to people's satisfaction, why cant that personality be a preacher?
So if it was located within a good physical android type human mimic, would that work? Or do we need that authentically mammalian connection?It can mimic the personality of a preacher, but not be an actual preacher, serving the physical roles and functions held by a preacher.
I think it depends on the person and is entirely up to them and their church.So if it was located within a good physical android type human mimic, would that work? Or do we need that authentically mammalian connection?
The Holy Spirit is not a Magic 8-Ball. The Holy Spirit is a person. If your mother is alive, or were alive today, but yoiu had access to all the recorded musings of people who had access to her in years past...would that be indistinguishable from having access to your living mother "in almost all cases?"It could have access to all the recorded musings of people who did have access to the holy spirit.... to the point that its preaching could be indistinguishable from a human's in almost all cases.
It probably would if the AI processing was really good and, crucially, if it was mediated through another person.The Holy Spirit is not a Magic 8-Ball. The Holy Spirit is a person. If your mother is alive, or were alive today, but yoiu had access to all the recorded musings of people who had access to her in years past...would that be indistinguishable from having access to your living mother "in almost all cases?"
In order to reproduce him faithfully, you would have to portray him "warts and all;" that is, his besetting sins, personal baggage, etc. While his accomplishments are well-documented, the latter is more anecdotal.So for example, if all the data on someone like Albert Einstein was collected and programmed into this holographic Einstein and he were to stand in front of you and interact, he would seem almost indistinguishable from the real Einstein. All his answers, responses, thoughts would be based on exactly what has ever been known about him.
About that last part, and also about animals and stuff, how are most human beings any different? How would any other created being, either created by God or us, ever be any different, etc?I'm trying to imagine (like in Star Trek holodecks), that you could re-create a near perfect replica on the holodeck of a person that once existed. By accumulating all the data, memories, physical and personality traits and giving it an almost ai like consciousness, that person could be as close to possible of the real person without obviously being the real person. So for example, if all the data on someone like Albert Einstein was collected and programmed into this holographic Einstein and he were to stand in front of you and interact, he would seem almost indistinguishable from the real Einstein. All his answers, responses, thoughts would be based on exactly what has ever been known about him.
There was an episode in Star Trek TNG where they asked the holodeck program (a prompt) to create a character that could outsmart Data or something along that lines. It's funny how if you know the right prompts to use, it can make all the difference.
So it re-created a professor named Moriarty. But there was a glitch in the holodeck and Moriarty somehow gained consciousness or self-awareness that it was created and programmed. It became self aware that it was living on a moving starship inside a room called the holodeck. He even wanted to leave the holodeck to explore the real world and did. Moriarty exhibited all the same human curiosities, desires, yearning to live, to grow, to discover, to pursue, and was even fearful of it's own realization of mortality (it didn't want to die)....but it knew it was a holodeck creation and couldn't exist permanently outside the holodeck. This ai if you will was no more indistinguishable from a real person even if it may not have been a real flesh and blood person.
It really made me wonder if we are able to get to this point one day, what the implications will have on Christian theology and how would we value this creation? Could it just end up being the same thing as a beloved pet such as a dog? No matter how loving and loyal your dog is, it doesn't have a human soul, it was not made in God's image, it is not conscious or self-aware of God but indistinguishable from us because it seems to show love, empathy, concern, loyalty, faith, but it is merely a pre-programmed animal instincts that responds to whatever stimuli it is existing in. Most of us still want to believe our beloved family dog will go to heaven or will somehow still carry on in the afterlife and not be completely wiped out from eternal existence once it's earthly life has expired.
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I think this entire universe, and everything in it, including all of us, can all be reduced to an algorithm, so...?
So by that measure, and when taken to extremes, then the only one or thing truly conscious ever in it, would be only if there was such a one who has always been outside of it, or has always been/existed beyond it, etc. And maybe that is also the one, and maybe the only one, who ever can or could reduce it, etc.
So what is the difference between us, and any kind of AI we could make or create then?
God Bless.
You said that hammers... "one human to do the work previously done by several."What does that question mean?
Yeah, that's still people using tools.I'll tell you what I mean: One framing carpenter with power tools can replace several carpenters with hand-powered tools.
Or, take a look at these 3-D printed homes:
Why do you think artistic merit only has value because of its utility? Where is the utility in the Mona Lisa? Art is art precisely because it doesn't have utility. It doesn't serve a specific purpose, it exists solely to meet the subjective appreciation of people. That is not utility, not in the same way as a tool.You're presuming people will care about "artistic merit" as something desirable beyond simple utility. And you're presuming enough people will care to make a significant difference.
As a photographer, I'm seeing daily that most people hardly care at all about artistry...or even historic authenticity.
Yeah, that's not the program actually designing something from scratch. It's just taking bits and pieces of things real artists have done and piecing them together. It's not a truly original creation, which is what my point was.As a house designer, I absolutely can see AI doing my job. Its a ways off tho. There's so many intersecting variables in this job.
One of my band members just agonized over a couple cover art ideas for our new record. They were nice. So I decided to have Dall-E give it a try and the results that came back in 15 seconds blew everybodys mind. One of us called it scary. (Curiously tho Dall-E misspelled the band name even tho I spelled it out and put it in quotes. That was weird.)
What I mean is that most people don't actually want anything beyond utility, and the percentage that cares about the art is going downward.Why do you think artistic merit only has value because of its utility? Where is the utility in the Mona Lisa? Art is art precisely because it doesn't have utility. It doesn't serve a specific purpose, it exists solely to meet the subjective appreciation of people. That is not utility, not in the same way as a tool.
Well, that was a silly response. I think you know that I meant automation replaces humans in manufacture, and AI-aided automation will replace even more.You said that hammers... "one human to do the work previously done by several."
So one man with a hammer can do the work of several men without hammers. Since the work done by a man with a hammer is driving nails, then your statement would seem to indicate that one man with a hammer can drive as many nails as several men without hammers.
So I asked, how is a person supposed to drive a nail without a hammer?
Yeah, that's still people using tools.
No, that's not how AI art generation works. It works very similar to how a technically competent-but-not-inspired human operates.Yeah, that's not the program actually designing something from scratch. It's just taking bits and pieces of things real artists have done and piecing them together. It's not a truly original creation, which is what my point was.
The AI craze is just getting crazier. It's constantly in the news, in our phones, ads, videos, content, non-stop.
While it's exciting on the one hand of the endless possibilities with AI, it's also scary because it is changing
the very definition and meaning of everything! Everything except God's Word and purposes.
If AI is going to be accepted everywhere, then what about church? Will you accept one day an AI preacher?
An AI Bible study teacher? AI music? AI worship team? Ultimately, we know that AI does not have the soul God
gave each of us. AI cannot worship or speak with heart intentions and faith as these concepts are still foreign to AI,
but if we keep going down this path, there will eventually be head on collision between AI and humans in relation
to Christian theology. Can there ever be such a thing as an AI Christian? Would an AI christian be recognized by God
as a soul or being that can enter heaven for doing His will and evangelizing, missionary work, even sacrificing itself for
God? Will AI lives matter? Will there be Ai creatures and beings in heaven? If Ai created human beings in labs, will
those humans be forfeit lives because they were made by Ai or will they be equal as humans that were conceived and born
from a mother's womb? Is Ai offering considered true genuine offering or is it a cop out because Ai made the money or products
for us and we're not really then giving offering out of our hands/hard work/sacrifices. What if Ai improves the Bible? Can it
re-write it to make minor adjustments or revisions to translate the text into more creative ways besides just text and verbatim?
Would these be considered heretical content or truly the gospel presented in creative and imaginative ways even if the words
are not exactly the same but the meaning remains the same? When we harness ai to it's fullest, what will happen to hearing
the word and meditating on it because we will instantly know everything like downloading into our brains databases and
no more reading will be required....is that against God's word? There would be no need to contemplate since we'd know everything
there is to know...all knowledge will be accessible to ai which means accessible to us simultaneously.
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