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And the thing he said about women not speaking in church.Yea there is the passage in Corinthians where he says, me not the Lord, something about how people wear their hair.
I don't think of myself as a god.I am hoping you are not thinking we are gods equal to God that God is calling us god as if we really are. That would make him a liar.
Because it goes counter to what Jesus said about loving your neighbor as yourself.Why?
Is the statement above suggesting that the Holy Spirit did not know the table of contents of the scriptures before they were written? Really?The Bible is a collection of infallible Holy Spirit inspired books (plural).
You cannot tell by hearing and reading Scriptures its divine qualities, supernatural message and divine authority?With scripture nobody would know it was 'scripture' without the 'curators' who documented its pedigree and preserved it over the centuries. There's no need to waste time on art. You could try to make a case from scripture's history of preservation directly. Tell me who preserved it and when and how they documented its pedigree.
Yes, they follow him - not Paul.His sheep know His voice and follow Him.
That is not what I am looking for. I did not wrote the definition given in the original post. I do not subscribe to sola scriptura.If you are looking for an inspired table of contents you won't find one.
Can you? What supernatural gift do you have that enables you to tell just by hearing (a translation) read aloud? I know that your post is slipping further and further from this thread's topic but I think it is interesting that your appear to be claiming something close to supernatural discernment as a persona gift that enables you to know what is and what is not inspired scripture.You cannot tell by hearing and reading Scriptures its divine qualities, supernatural message and divine authority?
I believe you are correct.Can you? What supernatural gift do you have that enables you to tell just by hearing (a translation) read aloud? I know that your post is slipping further and further from this thread's topic but I think it is interesting that your appear to be claiming something close to supernatural discernment as a persona gift that enables you to know what is and what is not inspired scripture.
Not at all suggested.Is the statement above suggesting that the Holy Spirit did not know the table of contents of the scriptures before they were written? Really?
Yes, he was a great man.Paul teaches how to follow the Lord. His wisdom is given to us so we can grow into spiritual adults instead of infants in Christ.
You make a good point.I believe you are correct.
As a Catholic, the part about that which blows my hair back is that non-Catholics reject my Church's authority... while essentially (and often explicitly) claiming for themselves the same authority which my Church claims regarding her teaching authority.
Their viewpoint, as best I understand it, seems to be that the Holy Spirit will guide them but He won't guide multiple people. Or maybe he won't guide groups of people. Or maybe it's just that He won't guide my Church.
Where do we gain discernment? From man?Can you? What supernatural gift do you have that enables you to tell just by hearing (a translation) read aloud? I know that your post is slipping further and further from this thread's topic but I think it is interesting that your appear to be claiming something close to supernatural discernment as a persona gift that enables you to know what is and what is not inspired scripture.
That's a relief. The idea that the Holy Spirit knew the contents and the table of contents of the scriptures before they were written is elementary theology. And that being so if the Spirit intended the holy scriptures to be "self authenticating" and "self interpreting" (both of which are concomitants of sola scriptura) then why isn't there a Spirit inspired table of contents in the text of scripture? We all appear to agree that there is no such list of inspired books in the bible (no matter which bible canon you happen to subscribe to). Since there is no list of inspired books that is itself inspired it follows with unassailable inevitability that the list of inspired books that you subscribe to is a tradition of men or your own personal 'revelation' from God. The former is true the latter lies in the realm of self deluded modern day 'prophets'.Not at all suggested.
That would be a misunderstanding.I believe you are correct.
As a Catholic, the part about that which blows my hair back is that non-Catholics reject my Church's authority... while essentially (and often explicitly) claiming for themselves the same authority which my Church claims regarding her teaching authority.
Their viewpoint, as best I understand it, seems to be that the Holy Spirit will guide them but He won't guide multiple people. Or maybe he won't guide groups of people. Or maybe it's just that He won't guide my Church.
It's about more than that. It's about this: Is the Word of God the things God and Jesus are quoted as saying in the Bible, or is it the entire Bible?
Godly people gain discernment from wisdom. It is said that wisdom comes from God. It is not said that an individual who claim to have discernment has wisdom that is as authoritative as scripture. So returning to the thread's topic and ending this brief diversion into 'discernment' we can all see that scripture nowhere ever claims to present a canon for scripture that is as exhaustive and detailed as a table of contents or as exhaustive as a canon list from the early church councils or from reformers like Martin Luther or John Calvin or the Westminster Divines. The early church councils, Luther, Calvin, and the Westminster divines are all human beings and their opinions are traditions that people either accept or reject. It appears that the original post was written with the assumption that the Westminster divines' tradition is the one to follow. But it is a man made tradition. We even know the names of the men who made it. And why they made it and what sources they used to make it.Where do we gain discernment? From man?
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