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Just read Heb 3:1 for orientation.They were Jews who had not confessed Jesus as Savior, Romans 10:8-13, even though they knew about Him and had been leaning in His direction. They just had not taken the vital, most important step.
On the contrary, those 3 passages underline my post 262.
Really? I guess the apostle Paul must have been somewhat confused then. A jailer asked him what he MUST DO to be saved, and Paul said: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL BE saved. Acts 16:31.I must also say that believing oneself saved because one has accepted Jesus Christ does not mean you are saved.
Prove to whom? God doesn't need proof.Nobody can prove they are saved.
Pure nonsense. It appears one needs a lot more study before they post such stuff.To prove when one says one is saved requires death to occur, then one will find out after death whether one is truly saved if one is in Heaven.
There is only the Hope of Salvation in this life. Anything more is just wishful thinking.
Just read Heb 3:1 for orientation.
When will you ever provide any Scripture that supports your claims?
FreeGrace2 said:Does the Bible say that God's gifts are irrevocable? Yes. Rom 11:29
Does the Bible say that eternal life is a gift of God? Yes. Rom 6:23
FreeGrace2 said:Did Jesus say that those He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH? Yes. John 10:28
FreeGrace2 said:Did Jesus say that those who believe HAVE eternal life? Yes. John 5:24
FreeGrace2 said:Any more questions?
Just read Heb 3:1 for orientation.
Just read Heb 3:1 for orientation.
And you know my life how?
Also, I believe the Old Covenant is no more. This means we do not look to the Old Covenant to obey God's Laws but we look to the New Covenant. Furthermore, not all sins lead unto spiritual death (See 1 John 5:16-18, 1 Peter 3:21, 1 Corinthians 3:1-3).
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Peace be with you.
You understand verse 3 and verse 6 right?
God bless you.
The Bible NEVER includes sanctification as part of the salvation process. This is just another form of "works salvation".
I saw your 3 verses...only one pertained to the topic. Why did you post the other 2? Anyway, the sin onto death? Which death? How does the verse support that death?
You do know christians can sin to the point of physical death.
The other two verses are talking about sins that do not lead unto spiritual death. 1 Peter 3:21 tells us that not being baptized is not a sin that does not lead unto spiritual death. In 1 Corinthians 3:1-3, Paul mentions that the Corinthians are still brethren despite their prideful boasting in one another (which causes divisions). This also is not a sin that leads unto spiritual death (i.e. the Lake of Fire).
As for John's reference to death in his 1st epistle: Well, if you were to go back and take notes on every time the word life and death appear and or light and darkness, etc. you will not find a reference to John talking about physical death anywhere. Eternal life (spiritual life) is contrasted with death (spiritual death). In fact, John calls the Lake of Fire the Second DEATH in Revelation 21:8. If John was referencing death in another way, surely he would have made that fact clear.
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One can easily know your interpretation is incorrect when it sets up a contradiction against the words of Christ Jesus. No one can snatch you from Jesus' hand.
That verse is so simple...yet you fight the truth of it.
Again, verse 27 is the context of the type of sheep that cannot be snatched out of Jesus's hand. These type of sheep are the ones who FOLLOW Jesus. There is no mention of any sheep that DO NOT FOLLOW Jesus and cannot be snatched out of his hand. That is what you want the Bible to say, but it really doesn't say that.
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Jesus says His sheep have some characteristics, as opposed to those who are not His people.Again, verse 27 is the context of the type of sheep that cannot be snatched out of Jesus's hand. These type of sheep are the ones who FOLLOW Jesus. There is no mention of any sheep that DO NOT FOLLOW Jesus and cannot be snatched out of his hand. That is what you want the Bible to say, but it really doesn't say that.
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Really? I guess the apostle Paul must have been somewhat confused then. A jailer asked him what he MUST DO to be saved, and Paul said: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL BE saved. Acts 16:31.
And John the apostle must have also been rather confused then.
"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life." 1 Jn 5:13
Having eternal life is being saved.
Prove to whom? God doesn't need proof.
Pure nonsense. It appears one needs a lot more study before they post such stuff.
I just did. 1 Timothy 6:16 tells us that Jesus alone has immortality. Immortality is eternal life.
1 John 5:12 says he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life.
You have to have the Son in order to have life (i.e. eternal life).
You have to realize that gifts in the real world need to be taken care of or otherwise you can lose those gifts. For example: If you receive a car as a gift, that does not mean you can run red lights, and drive drunk. As for Romans 11:29: As I said to you before, this is spoken to unsaved Israel. It is saying how God's gifts and CALLING of God (that come with conditions) are unchangeable. You are merely reading into that verse that there are no conditions to the receiving of God's gift and His calling. This is talking about receiving Christ and the gifts that come with that. So this passage is talking about the receiving of the gift who is Jesus Christ and the receiving of the calling. Do you believe in Universal Salvation? I do not think that you do, my friend. You believe that a person had to do something in order to receive the gift so as to be saved. This is a condition of the receiving of the gift and the calling of God. The key question is: Why do you think that there are no more conditions after receiving of this gift? Does this verse talk about the after effects of his gift or gifts? No. It is talking to Israel and how they need to accept his gift. Israel does not have this gift and they need it. Are you unaware that Romans 11:29 is talkng to Israel?
And this has to be read in context to verse 27 that says that the type of sheep that will never perish are the sheep that FOLLOW Jesus. Nothing is ever said about sheep here that do not follow Jesus.
Belief is the same thing as faith. A true faith produces works showing that it is true.
For faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
How do you relate God's morality or goodness with Eternal Security?
I just cannot reconcile the two.
I see the vast majority of Eternal Security as justifying evil (of which God cannot agree with).
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I read Wuest's Word Studies decades ago, and have my 3rd or 4th copy of His Expanded Greek New Testament right here. No where does he say what you are saying.
Did you ever read the book of Hebrews ? In RSV is perfectly fine, as well as any other translation you like - use biblegateway to compare many of them .
Hebrews is written to brethren, much more 'saved' than westerners, whether Jew or greek.
The good news is that "Christ died for our sins". It is of first importance, according to Paul in 1 Cor 15:3. So yes, this is good news for both believer and unbeliever.Yes, but the truth on the topic of sin presented from the author of Hebrews would be no different to unsaved Jews as it would be to Gentiles who are saved Christians.
Nope. It means to be cut off from service to God. The Jews were very arrogant in their thinking that since they were God's chosen, they were serving Him. Not even close.Besides, in Romans 11:21-22, we see Paul talk to the Gentiles and he tells them to continue in his goodness otherwise they will be cut off like the Jews. Cut off means to be cut off spiritually like the Jews.....
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