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Advice Needed from Photo Pros

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Hello - looking for some advice from photography pros...

My 17 year old absolutely loves photography (planning on taking courses in college), but has been unhappy with the digital camera I bought her 2 years ago. The price was right ($99), but obviously lacking in the features desired by a budding photographer. This Christmas I'd like to buy her a camera she can use now and in later college courses. Price is not a factor (gulp) since this will be the one she takes to college. Any suggestions?

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Actually it would depend more on what requirements her college might have, thinking specifically about film vs. digital.

Most college courses that I'm aware of require a 35mm FILM camera with the ability to completely manually override everything. That being said, that kind of camera doesn't have to cost a lot. A decent Pentax K1000 (about $150 on eBay) could easily keep a photo major happy durring their whole college experience. Different lenses for that camera are also relatively inexpensive (on eBay) as well.

As far as digital goes, I am a very big fan of DSLR type cameras, the best of those is probably the Canon EOS 20D, and a decent package for that baby (body, two lenses, memory cards, extra batteries) is probably in the neighborhood of 2 grand.

All that being said about digital cameras (and their high cost) your daughter could easily learn far more about photography with a old beater 35mm Film cam (like the K1000) and a B&W darkroom setup in your own home. Everything B&W can be done in a bathroom, from bulk loading film to making prints. I very much miss my B&W darkroom days......... but I love my digital cams and photo printers as well!!

Hope this helps!!
 
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Will she just be taking a few courses, or will she be going for a degree in photography or the arts?

It's definitely best to check with the schools she's thinking about attending and ask which medium they'll be pushing for 2006/2007. You don't want to invest in a film system if she will need a digital based system. Many schools are transitioning over to digital, and many are already pushing digital as a main part of their program. It's a good idea to take a very serious look at schools that offer a strong digital program since that's where the focus is in both the commercial photography world and studio photography. The fine art photographers are a solid mix of digital and film.

Almost all schools require a SLR camera (digital or film) for their photography courses.

The 20D has been mentioned. Canon is a great starting point. The Nikon D70 is also a very affordable camera body and is a direct competitor to the 20D. Both Canon and Nikon will be introducing new camera bodies over the next few months, which means prices will drop on the existing bodies over time. I shoot with Nikon D70 bodies as a full time professional (studio and on location), and I have no complaints. There's just so much to consider. We'll be upgrading to a D2X at some point, but we are holding off to see what the new Nikon D200 will look like when it's released.

One of the best things she can do is join a local photographic society or a club with a mix of serious amateurs and professionals.

My suggestion - as a professional - would be to invest in a system that allows growth and consistency and also holds it's resale value. For that, stick with Nikon or Canon as a starting point.

I can help you walk through the options if necessary. Please feel free to PM me, or email me. I work with full time professionals and meet with them regularly. We have our share of serious amateurs interested in this as a career. We often have visitors come to our studio to review equipment and techniques, so if you are ever in FL near Orlando, you are welcome to stop by.

As a final note, even if photography is just an interest vs. a career plan, I'd suggest going digital if you can. I agree that one can learn just as much with a film camera, but I strongly feel that one can learn a LOT faster with a digital camera. The learning curve is challenging but the feedback is almost instantaneous. I offer instruction to local clients, and my lessons are so much easier with digital.
 
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Well I am a professional photographer, grad of NYI of photography obtained my CPC certified photographic consultant and teach 12 week night courses.
There has been many posts here with good info but some I would not agree with, If you have not purchased a camera e-mail me and I will go through things in detail so what you spend is not a trade in a few months later.
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TheLordsPrayer said:
Well I am a professional photographer, grad of NYI of photography obtained my CPC certified photographic consultant and teach 12 week night courses.
There has been many posts here with good info but some I would not agree with, If you have not purchased a camera e-mail me and I will go through things in detail so what you spend is not a trade in a few months later.
:amen:

Interesting. Why don't you post what you disagree with so we can learn something new (after all, this is a forum for discussion and learning). Are you concerned about a debate?
 
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SC my main reason for not posting is going through pieces that are already posted thus making a 4 page post.

In any case first. the need to know what the course will teach, you can'y buy a car if you might need a suv. So I'm going to treat this as a normal photography fine arts course.

More then likely there will be a need for B&W film for sure, and it's use in the dark room. Usually part of most courses. That makes digital pretty much out of the question.

So a film slr seems to be the logical choice, I read about the K1000, a good sturdy body but thats where it ends, the meter is not percise it has no control over pre viewing depth of field. These two factors are a must , As well the photo you think you see in the view finder is not 100% of what you might think you have composed. Because it is totally manual with a cheap light meter built in, not so different from just buying a hand held meter and camera with no meter, this will because of the generations past may not even be found.

I agree with SC very much, if you need to go film, there are some good choices out there, Pentax MX and LX, Nikon, F1 F2 F3 FM, FE These because of the available system would allow for growth.
Canon other then the F1 I am not all that familiar with models but any price point camera for the retail market as the AE-1 are not the best choice. I am sure a few other Cannon bodies are capable if they have the features I have writen.
Some of the better bodies will have a center meterring area which is more accurate then others.
I have left out newer generation SLR cameras like the Nikon F-4 F-5 and Cannaon equivelents. Most would be over a grand and maybe closer to two depending where you are, I caution EBAY, and others, if you go to a camera store you get some warrenty on Ebay you get luck. To save a buck for what might cost you 2 makes little sence.

So I suggest Cannon or Nikon with the features I mentioned above, Minolta makes o couple good bodies going back several generations but the system is small, and getting resale Cannon and Nikon are going to do the best in this area.There are a few others I have left out as they would not allow to grow like Olympus in the older generations.
If your looking for technology right up to date,Canon and Nikon both have starting bodies in the 1000+ range new older bodies FM etc in the 2-3 hundred used., don't get fooled in the package body/lens combination, it might sound like a good deal but the lenses are mass produced for the general market. As much thought if not more must be put into the lens as the body. Focal length, speed, zoom, fixed speed and other issues are part of choosing the right equipment. Then there is the family of lenses, zoom, wide angle, fixed, macro or Micro, and tons of other accsesories I'm sure she will need.

Several items left out and perhaos the most importand is a sturdy tripod, and a solid head . No one can hand hold a camera as solid as a camera on a tripod, read any good book especially nature and Tripods are right up there in the must have list. Most quality ones, Manfrotto, gitzo, amoung others most in the $100.00 and up range give great performance and life long capability of use.

SC now you can see why I did not want to post here, I could continue, but could go on forever, such as changable focus screens, flashes, and as I'm sure you know it really does not end, for me some $25.000 dollars later I am still not finished. The prices are based on Canadian and not major cities where the price is usually more.

Some suggestions, find a local camera club and see what they would suggest and maybe have for sale, most will be knowledgable and no what is needed. Go to the net do a google for nature fourms and post a thread look at other posts, you can get a good idea.

As to cut this short if it's possible don't preasure buy a good photographic consultant will take needed time to help you choose what is with your input best for your situation.

Darrell
 
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For my photography classes I am required to have a 35 mm completely manual camera.... we do also just black and white so we have to use black and white film. I just borrowed my dad's old camera for the classes, but I own a digital for other matters like pictures of my son. I am interested in getting a better digital though. ;)
 
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