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Adoption of a belief without prior evidence of its truth

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I had never heard of the philosopher William James, but his ideas seem to be similar to some of my ideas, and he can organize and explain these ideas. I haven't read any of his works yet, but here is a sample from the wikipedia article on his book "The Will to Believe". I thought other people here might find these ideas interesting too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Will_to_Believe
 
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I've read his Varieties of Religious Experience and rather enjoyed it. His approach to religion is very logical and empirical.

I haven't read that book, but others have recommended it.

I was reading a psychology book that referenced the idea of hard-minded and tender-minded people advanced by William James. Apparently he said that a person's beliefs are mostly determined by their psychological character. Hard-minded people find comfort in facts and causes while tender-minded people look for purpose and meaning. I have trouble relating to most atheists, and I suspect that is because they tend to be more hard-minded than me. I liked the quote I included in the OP, because it showed the possible limitations of hard-minded reasoning. This idea might be useful when Christians apologists promote religion to skeptics.
 
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That's interesting. At one place in the book I mentioned he criticizes the scientific "survival theory" that says religion is an outdated survival mechanism, and goes on to describe religion as overly egotistic, subjective, personal, and focused on one's "private destiny." His point is that if you survey reality and dismiss the religious aspect you're left with much too little. It's something like the importance of "tender-mindedness" in the big picture.

 
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ONE GOD...not many. It isn't good enough to acknowledge that there is a god and believe this yet knowingly or unknowingly look to or worship another spirit. Because anything outside the TRUTH of GOD doesn't come from
GOD
 
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In the quote, it seems that William James uses "egotistic" to mean "subjective"? I have trouble understanding what writers from that era are saying, because they use such elaborate sentences and so forth. In other words, I'm not sure I understand what that quote means. I think he is saying that science focuses on objective reality and religion focuses on subjective reality?
 
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ONE GOD...not many. It isn't good enough to acknowledge that there is a god and believe this yet knowingly or unknowingly look to or worship another spirit. Because anything outside the TRUTH of GOD doesn't come from
GOD
o.k.
 
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Yeah, that's the gist of it. I would say that he uses egotistic to mean "Concerned with one's personal life and destiny."
 
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Yeah, that's the gist of it. I would say that he uses egotistic to mean "Concerned with one's personal life and destiny."
Hmmmm? Would you prefer.a FATHER who picks and chooses and judges and compares each of HIS disobedient children by and before and against another of HIS disobedient children
 
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Many can profess to have god(s)...and do

But there is only ONE GOD and ONE TRUTH...regardless

I think you might be missing the point of the thread. When Christians debate with atheists, the atheists often insist that belief in Christianity is irrational without first having evidence. William James hypothesizes that this policy of "evidence first" would prevent a person from taking Christianity for a "test drive" to see if it "works". One of the songs during communion had the lyrics "oh taste and see how good the Lord is". Temporarily reserving judgment and testing a hypothesis is common sense, but many atheists won't acknowledge this in debates. Also the evidence that a religion works is usually subjective and personal, so each person must perform their own "test drive". This seems like useful ammunition for any theist apologist.
 
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