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Flipper · Jan 29, 2007

Studeclunker said:
The homeless is a problem that just tears my heart out. This especially strikes close to home for me as I just may be there soon. Still, there's usually a reason as to why people are in this position. Have these people contacted Lutheran Social Services? They have shelters and programmes designed to help them 'learn to fish for life' as well as feeding them for the day.

There's nothing wrong with taking someone in for just a day. There's also nothing wrong with helping someone out for a longer period if BOTH of you feel so moved. Listen to that 'still, small voice'. Also, watch these people. They just may only need a quick boost back up onto the wagon.

I think what you did was wonderful. We, as Christians, are called to help the destitute. We are not called to take all of them in and try to solve their problems.

Don't beat yourself up about calling an end to a temporary situation that wasn't presented as anything else. Have you no Church body to go to for these people's assistance? Is your congregation not able to help? Call your pastor and put it into his hands. Again, it's okay to limit something like this. You fed them, gave them a warm place to sleep and bathe. It's all right to set limits.

There are so many resources out there, and sometimes people are too stubborn to use them.

Your situation is in my prayers.

synger · Jan 29, 2007

Radidio said:
Synger?---you still here on the forum?

Were in the world did you find someone homeless? Was there a resource you went through to find them?

They are friends of ours. I've known her for years, and I introduced her to her now-husband through an online game we all play. (Everquest, in case you've heard of it.) He is a very young man who was still living at home when he met her. He became a grandfather of ten at age 21 when they got married. *laughs* They've been married almost three years now.

She can't keep a job because of health issues. He's a roofer, but this is the lean season for that kind of work. When it's rainy or snowy, he doesn't work. They had a few financial issues last year, and lost their apartment. So they've been on the street since before Christmas.

She has a son in this area, so when this started they were able to visit them sometimes for showers and laundry. And my friend could spend the days looking after her grand-daughter while her son and his wife worked. But recently she's had a big fight with her son, so they're not speaking. So the only chance they get for laundry is our house, and showers are either here or at their church.

They lived with a lady from their church for a few months last year, but that only lasted six months or so. When my friend first moved back to this area a few years ago, before she was married, she stayed with us for six months. She will not live with us again long-term. But we do try to give them a break from the street every week for a night. Especially now that it's so cold.

And they are very cognizant of not overstaying their welcome. They left before Hunter came home from work, because they asked when they should leave and I told them. Hunter needs his safe-home-refuge to relax. They're cool with that.

We do set limits. I just feel for them so much, and wish I could help more than I do. But you're right. There must be limits. And they have to be responsible for themselves, too. By and large, they are. I just pray that God will give them a break this year and let them get far enough ahead of financial problems to get a place of their own again.

KagomeShuko · Jan 29, 2007

Jim47 said:
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

I talk a lot about drinking beer, brandy etc, but it mostly talk. So martinies are out for me, but I think the excercize ball might help. Just what is it you do with them? Do you lay on your back and move around, or on your stomach, or both? Is this it? http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=441c6cf32eb9c5bbea3fc7da25ec3586&

Jim your link didn't seem to work for me, but it took me to the menu of that site.

so, there's medicine balls - which you use to thorw, many times while you do sit-ups. . .or some other type of exercise. That's these:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/fs/med_balls

There's the yoga/pilates balls, which you use to do all kinds of different exercises and poses, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/yoga_kits/res_pilates

There's the exercise ball chair, which you can do a lot of what you do with the ball, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/balance/d_ball_chair

Then there's the little balls that you use to help with posture and such when exercising, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/exercise_balls/ball_kit

Stein Auf!
Bridget

KagomeShuko · Jan 29, 2007

porterross said:
Double vodka martini, a little dry, straight up. Works like a charm.

Or you might try a little something that I happened upon whilst traveling. It's what I really rely on and works like a charm.

http://deepsleep101.com/index.html

For your back pain, you may want to try a Pilates exercise ball. They are easily found and you'll be surprised at the level of workout you can get sitting down. It worked for me.

I looked at that site. . interesting. . .

I would like to know what paychilogical is, though. . .it says: Deep Sleep 101 attacks the root causes
of chronic insomnia --- paychological
stress and body cycles that are out of
whack. The result: an all-natural
(drug-free) way to conquer chronic
insomnia."

I just like to listen to music when I go to bed. One of my favorite CDs is "Wonder, Love, and Praise" which is a CD of instrumental hymns. It can be wonderful waking up with the tune of a hymn in your head, too!

Stein Auf!
Bridget

Flipper · Jan 29, 2007

Jim47 said:
I talk a lot about drinking beer, brandy etc, but it mostly talk. [quote]

I'm the same way. When we are having a bad day at work, we'll call the other and just say "I need alcohol." Just saying that seems to help. We seldom drink when we get home from work, or when we are out with just each other.

However, we need to do something about drinking the vino because our vino rack is full again.

porterross · Jan 29, 2007

Jim47 said:
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

I talk a lot about drinking beer, brandy etc, but it mostly talk. So martinies are out for me, but I think the excercize ball might help. Just what is it you do with them? Do you lay on your back and move around, or on your stomach, or both? Is this it? http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=441c6cf32eb9c5bbea3fc7da25ec3586&

http://www.getfitsource.com/Stability_Ball.asp?osadcampaign=Google&gclid=CLikma2uhooCFRTWJAodm1-rQw

They should be available at your Target or WalMart. My Ortho actually told me about them and they also make a chair that adapts to such balls to relieve back pressure while you sit and help build your core middle muscles that are critical to your back strength.

I don't use it like I used to but I do enough physical labor that I am free of pain 99% of the time.....however, the BowFlex also helps tremendously to stretch the back, shoulders and lower body, much like traction.....I love it!!!!

C.F.W. Walther · Jan 29, 2007

ctay said:
Wish I could find something to do outside the church. I went and filled out an application to voluteer at this place that gives out food and clothing to people who need it, never heard back from them. Our women's bible study talked about doing some kind of volunteering in the community, nothing has come out of it yet. My suggestions kind of got shot down by one lady. I had ideas about going to nursing homes and visit people in it maybe giving them a care package, visiting kids in the hospital and giving them something little, also going to the housing projects and talk to someone and tell them we would do little things, like babysitting, carrying someone to the dr maybe a housecleaning, that type of thing. It got shot down.

ctay I went this morning and volunteered at Habitat for Humanity which is a Christian volunteer group that helps build housing for the poor and needy. I'll be working in their "Habitat Restore" which sells new and used construction items and fixtures to the public. The money goes for the rehab and building projects.
I also get the recycle can route once a month and will work on some rehab projects in our area. They are international and have projects all over the world.

Thrivent has donated around 24 Million for various project and is one of their biggest backers.

https://www.habitat.org/

Flipper · Jan 29, 2007

It's a fantastic organization. I haven't worked with them, but I have donated to them numerous times.

RedneckAnglican · Jan 29, 2007

Flipper said:
Jim47 said:

I talk a lot about drinking beer, brandy etc, but it mostly talk. [quote]

I'm the same way. When we are having a bad day at work, we'll call the other and just say "I need alcohol." Just saying that seems to help. We seldom drink when we get home from work, or when we are out with just each other.

However, we need to do something about drinking the vino because our vino rack is full again.

Click to expand...

I talk all about drinking beer...truth is...last one I had was before Thanksgiving...I did have a shot of wine at Church yesterday...does that count?...

porterross · Jan 29, 2007

I've worked on several Habitat builds and would love to be part of a local chapter. Unfortunately, they do not return e-mail enquiries or phone calls so it's tough for those of us in smaller communities to get their attention.

synger · Jan 29, 2007

KagomeShuko said:
I looked at that site. . interesting. . .

I would like to know what paychilogical is, though. . .it says: Deep Sleep 101 attacks the root causes
of chronic insomnia --- paychological
stress and body cycles that are out of
whack. The result: an all-natural
(drug-free) way to conquer chronic
insomnia."

Looks to me like it's a typo of "psychological". From googling the term, it seems to be a fairly common typo.

(Kinda like on our web pages at work. We have to do a period check for the word "pubic" instead of "public". We're the EPA. We have to be especially careful about typos like that. )

Flipper · Jan 29, 2007

RedneckAnglican said:
I talk all about drinking beer...truth is...last one I had was before Thanksgiving...I did have a shot of wine at Church yesterday...does that count?...

Good question. I think it does because while it is the Blood, it isn't literally the Blood.

Ok, I drink more than that, but not that much more. I'm more likely to drink if I'm in a group, or somewhere with an open bar (i.e. anything employer sponsored). It's not because I'm cheap, it's because its the most likely place that someone will just hand me something. I'm also most likely to drink if I'm not driving. We even have beer available at work after 5:00 if we want, but I can count on 1 hand how many times I've partaken in that in the 4 years I've worked here.

Oh yea, I also drink when I'm playing trivia games - relaxes me so I can dredge up all the useless information I have in my head.

seajoy · Jan 29, 2007

Got what they are calling my "for sure" diagnosis today from my rheumatologist.
I have full blown Fibromyalgia, with a minor diagnosis of a possibly inflammatory arthritis.

The fibro is what we will be concentrating on in my treatment. I also found out that this doctor knows my psychiatrist very well, as they have conferred on several cases of folks with OCD, also having fibro. Crazy combo, that's for sure. I will more than likely be changing my meds now.

Thanks to those who continually give me encouragement ! Praise to God for these wonderful doctors.

Oh, I had a cortozone shot in my shoulder today too, because of my fall...hope that does something!

seajoy

Flipper · Jan 29, 2007

seajoy said:
Got what they are calling my "for sure" diagnosis today from my rheumatologist.
I have full blown Fibromyalgia, with a minor diagnosis of a possibly inflammatory arthritis.

The fibro is what we will be concentrating on in my treatment. I also found out that this doctor knows my psychiatrist very well, as they have conferred on several cases of folks with OCD, also having fibro. Crazy combo, that's for sure. I will more than likely be changing my meds now.

Thanks to those who continually give me encouragement ! Praise to God for these wonderful doctors.

Oh, I had a cortozone shot in my shoulder today too, because of my fall...hope that does something!

seajoy

Praying the new medicines work.

BigNorsk · Jan 29, 2007

Well that cortisone shot should make short work of any inflammation. Cortisone is the best drug in the whole world, it is so effective on inflammation. Cortisone is the worst drug in the whole world with it's side effects if constant use is needed.

The drug you really should try for fibro is Cymbalta, it's been very effective for half the women who take it. That's really something. For men, nothing. That's really got a lot of pharmaceutical companies hopping because that's the first big difference that has shown up.

Anyway, you can read an article about it here: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=15180

And note, the pain relief was for both women with depression and without depression which seem strange for an antidepressant.

Marv

ctay · Jan 29, 2007

We are a small church and don't have a group like a Ladies Aid or something like that. I may talk to the pastor and see about if he thinks it would be worth it doing something like this or let me get a sign up sheet, get it annouced or put in the bulletin and see if anyone signs up

Jim47 · Jan 29, 2007

KagomeShuko said:
Jim your link didn't seem to work for me, but it took me to the menu of that site.

so, there's medicine balls - which you use to thorw, many times while you do sit-ups. . .or some other type of exercise. That's these:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/fs/med_balls

There's the yoga/pilates balls, which you use to do all kinds of different exercises and poses, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/yoga_kits/res_pilates

There's the exercise ball chair, which you can do a lot of what you do with the ball, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/balance/d_ball_chair

Then there's the little balls that you use to help with posture and such when exercising, like this:

http://www.fitnessscape.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=F/PROD/exercise_balls/ball_kit

Stein Auf!
Bridget

Thanks for the help Bridget. I looked at one of them already and I'll check them all out.

Thanks!

filosofer · Jan 29, 2007

ctay said:
We are a small church and don't have a group like a Ladies Aid or something like that.

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That in itself is a blessing...

In Christ's love,
filo
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Jim47 · Jan 29, 2007

porterross said:
http://www.getfitsource.com/Stability_Ball.asp?osadcampaign=Google&gclid=CLikma2uhooCFRTWJAodm1-rQw

They should be available at your Target or WalMart. My Ortho actually told me about them and they also make a chair that adapts to such balls to relieve back pressure while you sit and help build your core middle muscles that are critical to your back strength.

I don't use it like I used to but I do enough physical labor that I am free of pain 99% of the time.....however, the BowFlex also helps tremendously to stretch the back, shoulders and lower body, much like traction.....I love it!!!!

That looks like what I need. I have a pretty srtrong back, stiffness is my problem, most of it due to some injuries and the rest from arthritis. Should work Thanks

Jim47 · Jan 29, 2007

porterross said:
http://www.getfitsource.com/Stability_Ball.asp?osadcampaign=Google&gclid=CLikma2uhooCFRTWJAodm1-rQw

They should be available at your Target or WalMart. My Ortho actually told me about them and they also make a chair that adapts to such balls to relieve back pressure while you sit and help build your core middle muscles that are critical to your back strength.

I don't use it like I used to but I do enough physical labor that I am free of pain 99% of the time.....however, the BowFlex also helps tremendously to stretch the back, shoulders and lower body, much like traction.....I love it!!!!

seajoy said:
Got what they are calling my "for sure" diagnosis today from my rheumatologist.
I have full blown Fibromyalgia, with a minor diagnosis of a possibly inflammatory arthritis.

The fibro is what we will be concentrating on in my treatment. I also found out that this doctor knows my psychiatrist very well, as they have conferred on several cases of folks with OCD, also having fibro. Crazy combo, that's for sure. I will more than likely be changing my meds now.

Thanks to those who continually give me encouragement ! Praise to God for these wonderful doctors.

Oh, I had a cortozone shot in my shoulder today too, because of my fall...hope that does something!

seajoy

I'm glad to see that you are getting some good medical care and at least know whats going on now. Thats the first pat of getting meaningful treatment. Don't give up the ship! Things will get better.

Have they exrayed your shoulder? The cortozone should help, it did for me. I had to have 3 shots in my one hip before I could walk again. The first one hurt so bad I just about cried. Doc tells me , if they don't hurt, then he missed the spot where it is needed.

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