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Addressing Fallacy of Composition. . .

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"I am not convinced" is a subjective claim, and not an objective argument to the contrary. If you can't actually defeat it, then it doesn't matter what your opinion is.....
OK. I defeated it. Thats why Im not convinced.
 
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Ive definitely hashed that one out before and dont find it convincing.

Im not sure in what sense opinions about highly disputed arguments count as "knowledge". Seems they are second rate compared to empirical data.
I should think that would depend to some degree about what argument is currently being highly disputed, and which opinion is being counted as knowledge. If, for example, there is a hypothetical proposing God exists --IF God exists-- an erstwhile opinion (e.g. God is one God) is then knowledge, within the hypothetical.
 
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Hmm. Just being right tho doesnt necessarily mean you have knowledge. There's many bogus or ignorant ways to happen upon a correct statement.

(I'm not totally sure about what you were getting at. So my reply may be a little off base.)
 
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Hmm. Just being right tho doesnt necessarily mean you have knowledge. There's many bogus or ignorant ways to happen upon a correct statement.

(I'm totally sure about what you were getting at. So my reply may be a little off base.)

Yes. Good point. In a manner of speaking none of us exactly have knowledge. We have a working knowledge, I guess, but still, we are a bit like puppies in brain surgery college. I'm pretty sure God is not particularly impressed with our deepest understanding.

Maybe knowledge isn't really what I was trying to describe, idk. My bad.
 
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Great metaphor and it does capture what I think of humans (like me) attempting to reason about matters unfathomably far beyond my scope (eternity, whats "outside" the universe, infinity, the real nature of time, and similar).

We take our constrained little human scale inferences about how reality must behave and paste them all over everything. I would call it arrogance except that sounds mean.
 
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1.) An appeal to infinite regress is never a conclusive reason for explaining anything, because it doesn't actually answer anything.[1] If it ever did, then regression itself would necessarily cease.[2] [ . . . ]
[1] Why couldn't an event be the cause of and thus the explanation for the next event ?
[2] Why is that ?

Paulomycin 1 said:
2.) Infinite regress is not sound, because an infinite regress of causes would never reach the present day. Nor would it even reach the moment of the Big Bang.
Why would an eternal cycle of events not be able to reach the present day ?
Moreover, the fallacy of composition doesn't claim infinite regress.

What is Hume's “meta” ?
[3] You are mistaken. I am confident Hume or anyone describing that fallacy, was inside the universe. Morever, the truth of the claim “Simply because causality occurs within the universe” is independent from the perspective.

As far as I know Hume didn't claim the law of causality does not apply to the universe. The wise position to take is one of ignorance. Maybe the universe was caused or maybe it wasn't. As the fallacy of composition shows, we can't rely on the causality within the universe to draw conclusions about causality of the universe.
What law of logic was Hume disputing according to you ?

[4] No, it is not. It is an erroneous line of reasoning or a reasoning error.
[5] Before arguing about cause, you should give a proper definition of it.
[6] No, it wouldn't. You can argue that the Big Bang is evidence that the universe has a beginning. The fallacy of composition does not dispute that.

[7] Are you claiming that without David Hume, everyone would still believe in God ?
[8] That is a non-sequitur. That particular arguments against a creator god are unsound, would not prove Thomism. So, David Hume's arguments being garbage would not prevent Thomas Aquinas' arguments from being garbage too.

What is bivalent deduction ?
An argument is knowledge if and only if it is believed. If it is then it could be true or false knowledge, depending on whether it is a sound or unsound argument.
 
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