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the proof is in the Durram report which you obviously have not read. In short there never was a basis for the investigation and no evidence of any potential crime.
You're probably referring to where Durham says:
neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.

For what it's worth, I agree with Durham's above statement in bold. But I do not agree with this mischaracterization: Durham said they did not have enough evidence at the time to start an investigation. Notice that Durham's statement does not make any such determination and here's why.

The FBI doesn't need any evidence of collusion to open an investigation into a national security threat. As a national security threat, the FBI were obligated to investigate whether any Trump campaign associates were aware of Russian activities to interfere in the election in early May. Because the fact that a friendly foreign government said that in early May Papadopoulos had suggested that Russia would help Trump by releasing information damaging to Hillary constitutes a legitimate threat to National security.

The standard for opening a full investigation is "an articulable factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates that ... [a]n activity constituting a federal crime or a threat to the national security ... is or may be occurring ... and the investigation may obtain information relating to the activity.''
 
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the proof is in the Durram report which you obviously have not read. In short there never was a basis for the investigation and no evidence of any potential crime.
Wasn't that the report which said that the investigation should have been preliminary based on the level of evidence at the time?
 
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very funny, have a nice day
 
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Again the Durham report makes it clear that not only was not any criminal act but the investigation itself was far from above board.
 
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The standard for opening this investigation was a report that was know to be false before the investigation began.
 
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Wasn't that the report which said that the investigation should have been preliminary based on the level of evidence at the time?
Since there was no valid evidence there should have been no investigation, that is what the reports said.
 
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Thanks for admitting you can't back up your claim. Good to know.

-- A2SG, hope you have a nice day as well....
Thanks for jumping to unwarranted conclusions, the game was getting old but some people just love to play dont they
 
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Thanks for jumping to unwarranted conclusions, the game was getting old but some people just love to play dont they
I asked you to back up your claims.

You couldn't.

No jumping involved.

-- A2SG, not on my part, anyway......
 
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Again the Durham report makes it clear that not only was not any criminal act but the investigation itself was far from above board.
He brought a grand total of two criminal indictments and lost both at trial.
His legal assessments might not be of the highest quality?
 
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That is not what Durham said.
neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.
 
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Again the Durham report makes it clear that not only was not any criminal act but the investigation itself was far from above board
Some people intend to obfuscate. So, you would need to be specific as to what you're referring. But I would guess you're referring to the surveillance application for Carter Page. That's the only thing I see as applicable here. We know it's criminal for Russia to interfere to help Trump.
 
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neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.
Since there was no valid evidence there should have been no investigation, that is what the reports said.
Durham doesn't even speak definitively as shown above, so you two are incorrect.
 
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neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.
Who cares what 'appears' to be the case? The point is that Durham did not say "there should have been no investigation".
 
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The standard for opening this investigation was a report that was know to be false before the investigation began.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The standard is written in the FBI policy guide for investigating a national security threat and that is what the FBI followed.
 
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neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.
neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” Durham said in his report.

Crossfire Hurricane was not opened as an investigation into collusion/coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, so a lack of evidence of collusion is irrelevant to the validity of the investigation. Rather, it was opened on the basis of national security concerns raised by the information they received about Russia having damaging information about Clinton and an interest in releasing it, as revealed in a conversation between George Papadopoulos and an Australian diplomat.

An analogy: Let's say you work for the police department. A call comes in from ADT that an alarm was tripped at one of their client locations, so you're sent to investigate. At this point, you're investigating a burglary. When you arrive, you find a broken window, and inside the building, there's a dead body. Now your burglary investigation has turned into homicide. A review of the case would show that - at the commencement of the investigation - you had no actual evidence of a homicide, and yet you ended up investigating a homicide. But you did have evidence of a burglary, which was sufficient to open an investigation. It's just that your burglary investigation led you to evidence of a homicide.
 
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The standard for opening this investigation was a report that was know to be false before the investigation began.
Are you referring to the Steele Dossier?
 
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