There are no transitional fossils, mutation doesn’t leave an intermediate A.5.Why should that be concidered?
Can you show a fact of evolution?
By fact not a dog turning into another dog, or a fish ditto, or a bird ditto, but creature A turning into creature b.
The Origin of Urantia: Paper 57, The Urantia BookWhoever wrote Urantia does not seem to understand the orbital mechanics of retrograde motion.
If we consider old earth evolution as an established fact and return to the Genesis creation account of Adam and Eves abrupt materialization on earth, we can view the assumptions of Christendom differently.
Consider the following:
* Adam and Eve arrive as adults educated in Gods will for them on earth, they speak a language, the same language as the beast.
* The "crafty beast" or devil as we learn later, has already fallen into sin, he is already working against Gods will, working to undermine A&E. The beast knows Gods will for the pair.
* Cain and able tend "flocks" and "fields", how much food does a family need to work for in a tropical paradise??? They are making contributions to a religious order???
* When we consider that Cain is concerned about the people away from his family, in Nod or anywhere else, we can start to see signs that indicate the earth is already populated.
* As fragmented as the story is that the Hebrews were putting into the written word, we might consider that it was a very old story that had been carried by oral traditions through many cultures, wars etc.
THE URANTIA PROBLEM
75:1.1 The Adamic mission on experimental, rebellion-seared, and isolated Urantia was a formidable undertaking. And the Material Son and Daughter early became aware of the difficulty and complexity of their planetary assignment. Nevertheless, they courageously set about the task of solving their manifold problems. But when they addressed themselves to the all-important work of eliminating the defectives and degenerates from among the human strains, they were quite dismayed. They could see no way out of the dilemma, and they could not take counsel with their superiors on either Jerusem or Edentia. Here they were, isolated and day by day confronted with some new and complicated tangle, some problem that seemed to be unsolvable.
75:1.2 Under normal conditions the first work of a Planetary Adam and Eve would be the co-ordination and blending of the races. But on Urantia such a project seemed just about hopeless, for the races, while biologically fit, had never been purged of their retarded and defective strains.
75:1.3 Adam and Eve found themselves on a sphere wholly unprepared for the proclamation of the brotherhood of man, a world groping about in abject spiritual darkness and cursed with confusion worse confounded by the miscarriage of the mission of the preceding administration. Mind and morals were at a low level, and instead of beginning the task of effecting religious unity, they must begin all anew the work of converting the inhabitants to the most simple forms of religious belief. Instead of finding one
language ready for adoption, they were confronted by the world-wide confusion of hundreds upon hundreds of local dialects. No Adam of the planetary service was ever set down on a more difficult world; the obstacles seemed insuperable and the problems beyond creature solution.
75:1.4 They were isolated, and the tremendous sense of loneliness which bore down upon them was all the more heightened by the early departure of the
Melchizedek receivers. Only indirectly, by means of the angelic orders, could they communicate with any being off the planet. Slowly their courage weakened, their spirits drooped, and sometimes their faith almost faltered.
And this is the true picture of the consternation of these two noble souls as they pondered the tasks which confronted them. They were both keenly aware of the enormous undertaking involved in the execution of their planetary assignment.
75:1.6 Probably no Material Sons of Nebadon were ever faced with such a difficult and seemingly hopeless task as confronted Adam and Eve in the sorry plight of Urantia. But they would have sometime met with success had they been more farseeing and patient. Both of them, especially Eve, were altogether too impatient; they were not willing to settle down to the long, long endurance test. They wanted to see some immediate results, and they did, but the results thus secured proved most disastrous both to themselves and to their world.
If these "pre-Adam ... souless" humans existed, they would have outnumbered the descendents of Adam and Eve quite considerably. Do they still exist? If not, what happened to them?I've come to believe that the Genesis 1 reference of the creation of man refers to pre-Adam man which specifically was soulless man. In Genesis 2:7 God breathed life (breath of God in other contexts support this idea) into man and he became a living soul.
On the other hand, theistic evolutionists should not have any trouble believing that God instantly turned inanimate matter into a living man (Gen 2:7), because that is precisely what Jesus did when he raised Lazarus fom the dead (John 11).What I find interesting is that even the most traditional, orthodoxy Christians have no issue believing that God himself chose to manifest Himself on this earth in bodily form using natural means (i.e. conception, implantation, full 9 months gestation in Mary's womb and natural birth) yet we have a hard time thinking that the earth brought us forth (dust of the earth = the substance of the earth?).
To be fair to scientists, the aim of a scientific theory is not to "prove" anything.There isn't a scientist any where who is prepared to publicly argue that fosils 'prove' evolution.
To be fair to scientists, the aim of a scientific theory is not to "prove" anything.
Well, if any descendant of one of the 'souled' humans has a soul and if the souled and the soulless interbreed, then pretty quickly everyone would be souled.If these "pre-Adam ... souless" humans existed, they would have outnumbered the descendents of Adam and Eve quite considerably. Do they still exist? If not, what happened to them?
My current understanding is that Adam did not evolve but was created directly from inanimate matter as per Gen 2:7, and that non-human life had existed on earth looong before Adam was created.The revelation that Adam and Eve, 2 incarnate celestial beings who were to be the worlds new visible spiritual administrators, arrived on a previously evolved, populated earth that had already fallen into sin under the previous administration, makes more sense when considering the totality of data. We can see this in both Genesis and science.
physical features. A comparison of our DNA just screams that we descend from a common ancestor.But I find it curious that God decided to create man such that he shares many physical features in common with apes and monkeys.
Well, yeah. You are posting in the theistic evolution forum, after all.Why? Is there some truth in evolution, after all?
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