Adam - Eve - Apple

[christian1488]

I hear that Adam and Eve in the Genesis 3 story ate an apple but Genesis 3 does not mention an apple or any kind of fruit for that matter.
How come people say Adam and Eve ate an apple when no fruit is mentioned?

 

[granpa]

Forbidden fruit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Western Europe, the fruit was often depicted as an apple, possibly because of[citation needed] a misunderstanding of, or perception of intentional dual meaning in, the Latin malum, a noun that can mean evil (from the adjective malus), but also apple. In the Vulgate, Genesis 2:17 describes the tree as de ligno autem scientiae boni et mali: "but of the tree (lit. wood) of knowledge of good and evil" (mali here is the genitive of malum). The larynx in the human throat, noticeably more prominent in males, was consequently called an Adam's apple, from a notion that it was caused by the forbidden fruit sticking in Adam's throat as he swallowed

 

[granpa]

I believe that the tree was a redwood and that they chopped it down and made it into an ark.

 

[FirenWater]

I hear that Adam and Eve in the Genesis 3 story ate an apple but Genesis 3 does not mention an apple or any kind of fruit for that matter.
How come people say Adam and Eve ate an apple when no fruit is mentioned?

You would have to ask the people who say that.

 

[elopez]

I hear that Adam and Eve in the Genesis 3 story ate an apple but Genesis 3 does not mention an apple or any kind of fruit for that matter.
How come people say Adam and Eve ate an apple when no fruit is mentioned?

Right. The text just says "fruit" not what kind of fruit. It was more than likely not an apple though as I believe the apple tree was native from that region. People probably go with the misconception of an apple because of Renaissance paintings that depicted Adam and Eve eating an apple. It was more than likely a fig, some scholars suggest a pomegranate.

 

[FirenWater]

The tree is called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil....

Native to the area??

Ok I couldnt resist

Apples, figs or pomegranates (which might have be good for food in Gods eyes) verses the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (which doesnt appear to be one considered good for food, though Eve dared to differ) not to mentions The tree of life was apparently native to the area too then (if we look at this naturally verses spiritually)

 

[FirenWater]

I am snipping this from a study, where I was finding some similiarities between pictures, and thought it was interesting it speaks of a lust of the MIND (among the lusts of our flesh)

Ephes 3:2 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind


We have a Lust of THE EYES which could be shown in Eve and desire toward it (the tree) to be "Wise" which also could be shown (same as in the above) as a lust of THE MIND here as well...


Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.

Paul himself speaks of THE MIND (and it being corrupted) in relation to the same figure of the serpent and Eve here...

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Thought that was interesting

 

[elopez]

The tree is called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil....

Native to the area??

You obviously have mistaken my argument. Straw mans don't work.

 

[FirenWater]

You obviously have mistaken my argument. Straw mans don't work.

How did I mistake what you were saying????

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

By the law came the knowledge to know good from evil.

God never said the tree itself was evil.

All God said was in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

And when man ate from the law, he saw his own nakedness (sin); and thereby death came by way of sin.

The wage of sin is death.

 

[elopez]

How did I mistake what you were saying????

I said apple trees were native to the area where the Garden of Eden is allegedly meant to be, not the tree of knowledge of good and evil like you seem to have suggested.

 

[FirenWater]

By the law came the knowledge to know good from evil.

God never said the tree itself was evil.

All God said was in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

And when man ate from the law, he saw his own nakedness (sin); and thereby death came by way of sin.

The wage of sin is death.

Agreed, but why ruin the fun bro?

We were chatting bout native trees to the area

I told my first pastor it was an apple tree he got mad at me, I didnt last too long there, I have yet to recieve a phonecall apologizing for his great anger at me when I told him he Gorbechev (at that time) was the antichrist because of the birthmark on his head

I forgive him though, he knew not what he was talking about lol

 

[christian1488]

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented the law,Adam and Eve disobeyed the law.

Deuteronomy 1:39:Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Deuteronomy 30:19:I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Hebrews 5:14:But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Romans 7:9-12:9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


EATING GOD'S LAW


Ezekiel 3:1-3:1Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. 2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.


Revelation 10:9:And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

 

[FirenWater]

I said apple trees were native to the area where the Garden of Eden is allegedly meant to be, not the tree of knowledge of good and evil like you seem to have suggested.

I didnt say you said the tree of knowledge of good and evil was native there, you only quoted the top portion of my post. A strawman not the same as someone kidding around with you, the second paragraph of my post included apple, fig and pomegranate together. In otherwords it doesnt seem to be in the same category as the rest of the trees in that way. Well, I know I cant even go to the supermarket (where you can buy all the above fruits to consume if I'd like) but I cant ask to buy any fruit from a tree called the knowledge of good and evil.

In that way I was joking with you, but thats ok, Im wrong for joking, so I will refrain and keep it heavy

 

[C R F]

I hear that Adam and Eve in the Genesis 3 story ate an apple but Genesis 3 does not mention an apple or any kind of fruit for that matter.
How come people say Adam and Eve ate an apple when no fruit is mentioned?

The creation story in genesis is written in parable form and if you want to take it literally it doesn't make sense. Spiritually it tells about Adam and Eve and the trees they ate from. Men root themselves in the word of God and become like trees, they are likened unto as trees because only trees bare fruit and the fruit they bare is in the teachings they teach. If a man teaches the Spiritual understanding the tree bares the fruit of knowing God and in those teachings you find God to be with the fruit of the Spirit. Goodness kindness love and all those fruits that are good and show God to be good. But if a man teaches the flesh and that understanding saying God said put them to the sword . kill them their babies, he drowned the world, and so on, all these things are evil and that man teaches good and evil because the good is in there but not seen lest you have eyes to see.
So Adam and Eve were born of the true nature of God, taken out of the sinful nature and now seeing the good but Eve was deceived into believing it was OK to teach that way and because of that they were seperated again from God because God will not dwell with evil and that is spiritual death.
When Jesus healed the blind man he first saw the disciples as trees and they are trees you may eat from but there was a time when Jesus said to Peter , behind me Satan. At that time the snake was in the tree and this is how it was in the garden. Satan was likened unto as a snake because his words are like venum and they will poison you and cause you to be sick with all the afflictions of the body,and the snake speaks with the forked tongue as the hypacrit, saying one thing meaning another.
This also brings into question if there were people before Adam but if you understand the spiritual meaning of the story and you see the Apostels saying they were there before the foundations of the world and also God created the beginning from the end then there is not problem understanding.
So, there is no garden, no trees, no apples etc, it all about men of God and their churchs and what they teach. It is the same as in revelations where there will be trees on both sides bearing their own fruit.

 

[christian1488]

The creation story in genesis is written in parable form and if you want to take it literally it doesn't make sense. Spiritually it tells about Adam and Eve and the trees they ate from. Men root themselves in the word of God and become like trees, they are likened unto as trees because only trees bare fruit and the fruit they bare is in the teachings they teach. If a man teaches the Spiritual understanding the tree bares the fruit of knowing God and in those teachings you find God to be with the fruit of the Spirit. Goodness kindness love and all those fruits that are good and show God to be good. But if a man teaches the flesh and that understanding saying God said put them to the sword . kill them their babies, he drowned the world, and so on, all these things are evil and that man teaches good and evil because the good is in there but not seen lest you have eyes to see.
So Adam and Eve were born of the true nature of God, taken out of the sinful nature and now seeing the good but Eve was deceived into believing it was OK to teach that way and because of that they were seperated again from God because God will not dwell with evil and that is spiritual death.
When Jesus healed the blind man he first saw the disciples as trees and they are trees you may eat from but there was a time when Jesus said to Peter , behind me Satan. At that time the snake was in the tree and this is how it was in the garden. Satan was likened unto as a snake because his words are like venum and they will poison you and cause you to be sick with all the afflictions of the body,and the snake speaks with the forked tongue as the hypacrit, saying one thing meaning another.
This also brings into question if there were people before Adam but if you understand the spiritual meaning of the story and you see the Apostels saying they were there before the foundations of the world and also God created the beginning from the end then there is not problem understanding.
So, there is no garden, no trees, no apples etc, it all about men of God and their churchs and what they teach. It is the same as in revelations where there will be trees on both sides bearing their own fruit.

You should not think the snake was a creature that crawled around everywhere,that was it's punishment,before that it may have had hands and legs...

Genesis 3:14:And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

The serpent was not a beast of the field,if you read Genesis 3,the serpent was more ''subtil''than any beast of the field

Genesis 3:1:Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was a law tree,Adam and Eve disobeyed the law....

Adam and Eve were told:
Genesis 3:3:But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

From what I gather that was the only law they had,but the serpent said otherwise:
Genesis 3:4-5:4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


What did he do? he preached another gospel!

 

[FirenWater]

Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Belly people

 

[C R F]

The creation story in genesis is written in parable form and if you want to take it literally it doesn't make sense. Spiritually it tells about Adam and Eve and the trees they ate from. Men root themselves in the word of God and become like trees, they are likened unto as trees because only trees bare fruit and the fruit they bare is in the teachings they teach. If a man teaches the Spiritual understanding the tree bares the fruit of knowing God and in those teachings you find God to be with the fruit of the Spirit. Goodness kindness love and all those fruits that are good and show God to be good. But if a man teaches the flesh and that understanding saying God said put them to the sword . kill them their babies, he drowned the world, and so on, all these things are evil and that man teaches good and evil because the good is in there but not seen lest you have eyes to see.
So Adam and Eve were born of the true nature of God, taken out of the sinful nature and now seeing the good but Eve was deceived into believing it was OK to teach that way and because of that they were seperated again from God because God will not dwell with evil and that is spiritual death.
When Jesus healed the blind man he first saw the disciples as trees and they are trees you may eat from but there was a time when Jesus said to Peter , behind me Satan. At that time the snake was in the tree and this is how it was in the garden. Satan was likened unto as a snake because his words are like venum and they will poison you and cause you to be sick with all the afflictions of the body,and the snake speaks with the forked tongue as the hypacrit, saying one thing meaning another.
This also brings into question if there were people before Adam but if you understand the spiritual meaning of the story and you see the Apostels saying they were there before the foundations of the world and also God created the beginning from the end then there is not problem understanding.
So, there is no garden, no trees, no apples etc, it all about men of God and their churchs and what they teach. It is the same as in revelations where there will be trees on both sides bearing their own fruit.

You shall crall on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life. That means you shall never come to mature in the scriptures and the thoughts of the ungodly are dust, earthly teachings that dry without waters of wisdom. It just means he will never overcome the earthly teachings. Cursed means he will never be right with God.

 

[elopez]

I didnt say you said the tree of knowledge of good and evil was native there, you only quoted the top portion of my post.

And I didn't say you said I said that, I said that's what it looked as if you were saying because what you actually saying was a little unclear.

A strawman not the same as someone kidding around with you, the second paragraph of my post included apple, fig and pomegranate together. In otherwords it doesnt seem to be in the same category as the rest of the trees in that way. Well, I know I cant even go to the supermarket (where you can buy all the above fruits to consume if I'd like) but I cant ask to buy any fruit from a tree called the knowledge of good and evil.

In that way I was joking with you, but thats ok, Im wrong for joking, so I will refrain and keep it heavy

Good. No jokes here. Heavy it is. See ya :]

 

[FirenWater]

God bless you