Rose2020,
Adam and Eve weren’t the problem. Its Mr. Slytherin who started it all.
Yours in His Service,
~Bella
I have a different way of thinking about this. I know Gen 2 says "Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame". I wonder when the scripture is saying this that it's meant in a certain sense of the word. That in a way they weren't totally naked in the way that we would think but that they didn't have clothes of the physical. Were they really clothed in the light/energy/ glory of God? To illustrate on the Mt of Transfiguration it says the glory manifested and,
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Matt 17:17
And in Matt 28:1-4 we read at an event where an angel appeared at the Resurrection of Jesus,
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. Matt 28:1-4
What they saw was what happened when God allows his glory to manifest. So before sin degenerated the spirits of Adam & Eve were they really clothed with God's glory? It still rightly can be said "they were naked" in that they weren't wearing physical clothes but they didn't need them. The glory took care of everything...warmth, protection and covering. I can't say I can absolutely prove what I'm saying but Ps 104: 1-2 does say,
Lord my God, you are very great;you are clothed with splendour and majesty.
The Lord wraps himself in light as with a garment; Ps 104:1-2
If God is clothed in garments of LIGHT, which I believe means the GLORY or modern day we'd call it the energy of God why would we think that it'd be different with MANKIND that is in the beginning. When Adam & Eve sinned the glory departed....and they saw themselves as naked, that is without the covering of glory.
Wow, this is the complete question about the meaning of lifeGod created humans in His image to have a relationship with us. As I tried to explain above it is necessary for a relationship that the humans were able to choose to trust God. The point of putting the tree there is to give us the freedom of trusting God or not.
God knew exactly that Adam and Eve would eat it - but that was unevitable! God created us to have a relationship with us - for the relationship we need that freedom to choose - that freedom resulted in the humans not trusting God.
You could even put it this way:
The supreme ethic is love. You cannot have love without the freedom of the will. Where there is love there has to be the possibility of freedom, otherwise you can’t love. Where there is freedom there has to be necessarily evil. Where there is evil you have the need of a saviour. Where there is a saviour there is the possibility of redemption. Greatest ethic love – only possible because of freedom – resulting in evil – the need of a saviour – the possibility of redemption.
The Christian world-view is unique in pulling all of these together and it's amazingly logical.
The thing I don't understand is why God allowed the serpent to mislead Eve. God could have stopped Lucifer before he brought the concept of sin into our dimension. As far as I know the Bible does not give an answer to this.
You are forgetting His Divine nature that would not "want" to sin, nor could.If He was born totally incapable of sin, He could never have really been tempted. In order to be tempted, the possi8bility of failure must be present or it is no temptation and He would not have been a suitaqble redemptor for us.
Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
He came to show us that we, too, may overcome the same way He did by faith in the power of His Father. The verse you quot34d has nothing to do with Jesus being the Son of God---but of all believers. You have taken one verse and freed it from all the previous and preceding verses. Read it from the start, it is for all believers, for we are then born again in Christ.
You are forgetting His Divine nature that would not "want" to sin, nor could.!00% God, 100% man. This is the mystery.
I am not forgetting. He never used His divinity for His own purpose, only under God's direction for others. At any time, He could have sinned. He did not have a sin nature---but He had free will as a human man, He could have sinned. He chose not to. He was not a robot. He was 100% human when He was tempted, His divinity veiled for He had to endure His trials as a man, not as God---that was the purpose and it makes what He did, all the more awesome.
I like many of the posts in this thread, and I would like to add a few pointers.
God also knew that after thousands of years there will be two entities collected in eternity:
- Adam and Eve were created immortal, God does not create death, death is the absence of God.
- Adam and eve were clothed in light, as mentioned in previous threads.
- Adam and eve lost their light, and their bodies changed from an immortal one to one that ages and eventually dies.
- The bodies Adam and Eve changed into are nothing more than corpses in various stags of decay, with a living spirit within it. Eventually the body can not continue to live anymore, and the spirit departs.
- We are borm with the same physical bodies Adam and Eve ended up with, mortal decaying bodies.
- This is the sin we are born with as mankind, inherrited sin, dying bodies.
- We as mankind are all sinners already since birth, in the flesh that is weak and not able to be in the presence of God.
- Yes, God knew Adam and Eve will sin, yes he knew Satan will rebell, but...
1. Those that rebelkled against Him, that destroyed what He made, that killed, tortured, raped, opressed and all the sins man could practice...
2. Those that learned that God exists, and repented, believed that He came to Earth to save us, and decided to take the promise of everlasting life which He gives out freely to those who loves Him.
The latter will receive again a body such as Adam had, and will live in this body that is without sin, and in His presence.
This is why God made man, allowed sin, and created redemption.
not to force anyone to worship Him, but to come to Him freely.
Greetings in Jesus' Name
Just cause He did not want to sin, does not make Him a robot. The perfect Lamb of God could not sin, because He was God too. God doesn't even entertain sin, it's not in His nature. If He could of sinned then, He could sin in the future and we could all be lost. Is this not true? What changes?
If what you say is true, any "man" could of passed the test. Adam did not- I mean if what you say is true, he could of passed on his own so called "free will". Why didn't he? Because Adams nature was earthy- and made from the earth, he wanted earthy things. Where as Jesus' nature is spiritual, from heaven. The unique God Man Jesus.
I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.Do you realize though that if we all were to live forever in our earthly bodies that it would do more harm than good?
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● Gen 3:7 . .Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they perceived that they were naked; and they sewed together fig leaves and made themselves loincloths.
It's believed by a pretty large percentage of Christians that the so-called fallen nature is inherited from one's parents; specifically one's biological father. However; God constructed Eve with material taken from Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since he tasted the fruit after she was born; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to Eve by means of procreation.
In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with their new state of mind; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it, and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that something altered Eve's conscience; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.
Ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.
FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she tasted the forbidden fruit?
A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)
FAQ: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?
A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)
In conclusion: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not passed on by one's biological father nor by one's biological mother. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Serpent-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Serpent's paws off him.
● John 14:30 . . He has no hold on me
NOTE: The name "serpent" is certainly appropriate for the Devil seeing as how snakes are typically portrayed in scripture as deadly poisonous; for example Num 21:5-9.
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I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.
Oh gosh, I realised I am sounding like a preacher now.
Rephrase.
We will not have a body of matter, but of spirit, and I think it will be a huge ammount of energy.
Eve was deceived and in sin, Adam was not, but he willingly followed the woman, thus he is charged with the sin of mankind. Plus Adam was made first, and Eve was made to help Adam. Both made in Gods image but with different roles.
Adam and Eve had kids after the fall so Adam does pass it on-and they were both under the penalty of death then slowly dying already. That is why the Virgin birth, to by pass the sin nature all partake of.
Did we all inherit sin from Adam and Eve? | GotQuestions.org
I agree, but this is why we will receive a new heavenly body, imortal, non flesh and blood, fed by the life force of the Living God who gives life and who saved the spirit and conscience of man from eternal death into a heavenly life.
Oh gosh, I realised I am sounding like a preacher now.
Rephrase.
We will not have a body of matter, but of spirit, and I think it will be a huge ammount of energy.
Eve should be just as guilty as Adam. After all, didn't she eat the fruit first and tell him to as well?
That is why the Virgin birth, to by pass the sin nature all partake of.
She was deceived and guilty first, Adam was not. She didn't understand the full implications as Adam did.
Notice God didn't disagree with her-she was telling the truth, the serpent tricked her. Also, the man was crated first, Adam had authority over the woman who was taken out of him to help him. Equal in as far as made in the image of God, but different in roles and authority-just as in the Trinity we see the Father over the Son.
1 Tim 2,
12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
13Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
17Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Do you realize though that if we all were to live forever in our earthly bodies that it would do more harm than good?
Jesus was once God on foot when He walked the earth, but now He's God in spirit. That's the difference. God in the spirit is incapable of sinning, but God in the flesh was definitely capable of it but just chose against it. Like I and somebody else already mentioned, how could He have been tempted if He wasn't capable of it?
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"If you tell a lie big enough, and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." (Joseph Goebbels)
The fact of the matter is: If the so-called sin nature could be inherited from one's human father, it could just as easily be inherited from one's human mother because women are made of material taken from Adam's body; ergo: every child born into this world is Adam's child regardless whether its mother is a virgin because all women are made of material taken from Adam's body; therefore every woman's progeny is made of material taken from Adam's body. In order to disconnect Adam from a woman's child, she would have to be made of something other than his body. To my knowledge, that's not how Jesus' mom came into existence.
FAQ: Well; if the so-called fallen nature could theoretically be passed along to children by mothers as well as fathers, then why wasn't Joseph allowed to be Jesus' biological father?
A: Because it was God's determination that Jesus be both human and divine, i.e. son of God and son of David. (And if son of David, then of course son of Adam, i.e. son of Man)
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Yes there is disagreement how sin nature is passed,
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