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It doesn't, huh?
Would you care to explain to me how this 'creation myth' was shown to be utterly false, when you can't even explain to me how it was done?
It doesn't, huh?
Would you care to explain to me how this 'creation myth' was shown to be utterly false, when you can't even explain to me how it was done?
Wrong.You're the one making a positive claim when you say everything was created from nothing contrary to current scientific understanding, so you are the one who has to show us how it worked.
Yes, I'm aware of that.It's not a creation myth, it's a challenge.
Wrong.
I do not say everything was created from nothing 'contrary to current scientific understanding'.
In fact, my Apple Challenge challenges you to explain it scientifically.
There's a difference between 'contrary to current scientific understanding' and 'no science'.
Nothing in Genesis 1 was done contrary to science; as God didn't use science to create this universe.
No -- read it, Mike.If we're going to use your apple challenge as an analogy, YOU are the one who supposedly had the apple created ex nihilo into your hand.
No -- it is you who needs to explain it to a third party -- your friend.Therefore it's you who needs to explain it if you want us to believe you.
Okay -- I'll do my best not to answer like you did mine -- I promise.I have a question for you now.
Let's drop the 'apparent' baloney and call it 'embedded', okay?You believe that the universe was created with apparent age ~6,000 years ago.
Okay.Pretend we live in a land where no one has heard of the Bible.
Cute -- two totally different points in one sentence.Since we lack the Bible and only have science to go by, would it be reasonable for us to assume that the universe is ~14 billion years old, and that evolution is the reason we see so much diversity in life etc?
'That wrong assumption' is singular -- you brought up two points in one sentence ; so which one are you talking about?I'm not asking you if that assumption is correct, but would it be reasonable to make that wrong assumption based only on science if we had never heard of the Bible?
No -- read it, Mike.
It was created ex nihilo into the palm of your hand -- (in other words, you're already convinced).
'That wrong assumption' is singular -- you brought up two points in one sentence ; so which one are you talking about?
Mike, just out of curiosity I read your profile, and I notice you have an interest in ancient religions and what seems to be an equal interest in fiction and mythology.
This is none of my business, but I can't figure out why you can't get embedded age and a simple challenge straight, yet you have an interest in what other people think as well.
Why is that?
Are you able to comprehend their beliefs, but struggle with ours?
Again, none of my business.
I just find it ... ironic ... that some people here have an active interest in other religions and even mythology -- yet show an active intolerance toward Christianity of any kind.
And I'm not talking about you, but I do have another poster in mind -- a professor of literature, in fact.
NoOk, let me rephrase this for you. Do you think that without any context from the Bible, scientists have generally interpreted scientific evidence correctly?
'Current understanding'?Meaning, if the Bible wasn't known to us, would the scientific evidence that we have left point towards our current understanding of the age of the universe, the origin of life, and how life has evolved?
HistoryIs there anything outside the Bible but in the realm of science that indicates that our current scientific understanding is wrong?
No
'Current understanding'?
Yes
Keep in mind though, that history has shown you guys wrong time and time and time and time again.
Your scientific evidence has led to geocentrism, flat earth, phlogiston, Hesperopithecus haroldcookii (?), an incorrectly-identified and defined planet, air having no mass, global warming, Thalidomide, a safe shuttle launch, cigarettes good for your health, eggs bad for your health, a constantly-changing Periodic Table, and on and on and on and on.
Tomorrow, it would not surprise me if E=mc[sup]3[/sup].
Some of you guys even look forward to your paradigms being found wrong tomorrow.
I'm sure every generation thinks their science is right on target and cutting-edge ... I don't.
History
Funnily enough, I see Darwin as the pattern. Handing the man to the atheist will only breed problems. Darwin attempted to give man their creator, or their God, in random mutations. And like the Son of God he showed all Christians the path to be emulated and adopted. A path worn with treading.Actually I was a Fundamentalist Christian and a young earth creationist who believed in embedded age for the first 23 years of my life. I'm 25. So I have a pretty good grasp on your (christians in general) beliefs and I have a soft spot in my heart for Christians.
Meh, Christian handle superior strength of Terminator X.I tend to go easy on them
Converted."de-converted" so recently
Awesome. But favor in the eyes of men is not set as the ideal., I can see that Christians aren't as wacky or evil as a lot of people think.
We know enough. Believe or not we actually know stuff.They believe what they believe generally because that is all they know
Yes -- but again, evolution is an exception to me.Do you agree that given everything we currently know about the universe outside of the Bible, our current conclusions about how the universe works are reasonable?
It doesn't, huh?
Would you care to explain to me how this 'creation myth' was shown to be utterly false, when you can't even explain to me how it was done?
Yes -- but again, evolution is an exception to me.
I just don't see how anyone, even w/o knowing the Bible, can believe we came from the jungle.
Remember though -- you said 'outside of the Bible' -- so you get what [understanding] you deserve.
Every creation myth has been shown to be utterly false...
Cool -- it never happened, yet it was shown to be false.There is no explanation for it because it has never happened.
Cool -- it never happened, yet it was shown to be false.
I thought you guys boasted that you couldn't prove a negative?
No, I sure can't.I mean, can you point to something in nature that scientists have missed that suggests we didn't come from the jungle as you put it?
No, I sure can't.
If I had to say something, I would say "common sense".
I call that, denial by antithesis, and I use it almost exclusively here.But if another, mutually exclusive theory is positively proven, then the alternative is disproven enough that we can say it didn't happen.
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