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By recognizing their historical fulfillments. Take some time for research.
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Fine, but how do you/they refute the specifics I mentioned.
1. The last beast treads down the others. (thus they have to be in the same time) (Dan. 7: 7)
2. The first 3 beastly powers/kingdoms are able to continue after the last one has been judged and dealt with. (Dan. 7: 11 & 12)
3. All these kingdoms are in the time of the Lord setting His rulership through Israel at the end of the Gentiles final Global Government. (Dan. 7: 27)
By recognizing their historical fulfillments.
So has `Rome` trodden down Babylon & the Medes and Persians?`
Has Babylon, Medes & Persians and Greece carried on as kingdoms into God`s kingdom?
Are Babylon, Medes & Persians & Grecian Empires in the time of the Lord`s rulership in Israel?
Take some time to research their insights.
That is a lazy answer and helps no one reading this topic. I suggest you do some work and present your side.
`Be diligent to present yourself approved of God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.` (2 Tim. 2: 15)
The Babylonian empire was destroyed by the Persian empire, the Persian empire was destroyed by the Greek empire and the Greek empire was destroyed by the Roman empire.So has `Rome` trodden down Babylon & the Medes and Persians?`
Has Babylon, Medes & Persians and Greece carried on as kingdoms into God`s kingdom?
Are Babylon, Medes & Persians & Grecian Empires in the time of the Lord`s rulership in Israel?
Could you give me names of those kingdomsHi pasifika,
The `sea` is the Mediterranean sea, as it is called the `Great Sea.` They are 4 contemporary kingdoms/Federations that are easily recognisable today.
1. The last beast treads down the others. (thus they have to be in the same time) (Dan. 7: 7)
I recognize and defer to the wisdom, discernment, and insight of the historical defenders of the faith.
You should do the same, rather than attempting to remake the historical prophetic narrative in modernism's image.
The Babylonian empire was destroyed by the Persian empire, the Persian empire was destroyed by the Greek empire and the Greek empire was destroyed by the Roman empire.
The Roman empire witnessed the coming of Christ and in time became a Christian empire. From that time the main kingdoms of this world became Christian kingdoms.
Could you give me names of those kingdoms
Where do you see "the others" in Daniel 7:7? The verse says that the fourth beast was "diverse from all the beasts that were before it".
The first three kingdoms preceded the fourth. They were not coexistent.
So? Not sure what your point is.Yes we know in history who came after whom, however if you read Dan. 7 the last beastly power trod down all the others.
`It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces and trampling the residue with its feet.` (Dan. 7: 7)
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The first 3 beasts, Babylonian and Persian and Seleucid Empires, are humbled, but not destroyed like the fourth beast, Roman Empire. Their dominion was taken away from them, but they were permitted to remain alive; i.e. the Gentile powers, represented by the beasts, were to survive for a while as nations, though deprived of empire. The period of life allotted to them by God was only a little while. (based on Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges.)Then when the fourth kingdom/Federation is dealt with by God then the other kingdom/Federations are allowed to go on for some time.
`I watched till the (4th) beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.` (Dan. 7: 11 & 12)
Yes diverse but `devouring, breaking in pieces and trampling the residue with its feet.`(Dan. 7; 7)
Then when the fourth kingdom/Federation is dealt with by God then the other kingdom/Federations are allowed to go on for some time.
`I watched till the (4th) beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.` (Dan. 7: 11 & 12)
A natural reading of Daniel 7 suggests that the fourth beast (Roman Empire) would be divided into ten kingdoms. That is what Historicists think, and guess what? That’s what the early Church fathers thought too.
You overlooked or ignored the word in the verse that I specifically highlighted: "before".
qodam, the Hebrew word for 'before' in Daniel 7:7, that same Hebrew word is also used in the following verses in Daniel below. Can you point out in any of those verses where qodam is ever being used in a chronological sense? If you can't, doesn't that indicate, that to argue qodam in Daniel 7:7 is meaning in a chronological sense, when nowhere else in Daniel is it ever being used in that sense, thus this is not a good argument to begin with?
Daniel 2:2 Daniel 2:11 Daniel 2:24 Daniel 2:25 Daniel 2:36 Daniel 3:13 Daniel 4:6-7Daniel 5:13 Daniel 5:15 Daniel 5:17 Daniel 5:23 Daniel 6:11-13 Daniel 7:8 Daniel 7:10 Daniel 7:13
In your eschatological scheme, is there a role for the first 3 beasts after their empires collapsed by they were not completely destroyed?I would not disagree that at the completion of their appearances in the vision, all of the beasts were together in front of, or in the presence of, one another.
But their individual appearances as witnessed by Daniel in the vision were consecutive, not concurrent.
Consistent with the consecutive appearances of the four historical kingdoms on the world stage.
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