Acts2 V.S. Acts 9

[dan p]

Hi to all .

1) Most of what we all call Christianity call themselves Acts 2 , and begin the Body of Christ in the Gospels of Matt 16 or at Acts 2 .

2) So-called Christianity--------------------Catholicisim

a) They begin the Body in Acts 2------------They also begin the Body in
Acts 2 .

b) they have a priesthood--------------------they also have a Priesthood
of believers

c) Believe in Jesus earthly ministry-----------believe in Jesus earthly
ministry .

d) believe in water baptism----------------also believe in water baptism


e) believe the Gospel of the Kingdom-----believe the Gospel of the
Kingdom

f) use the Lord's Communion------------use the Lord's Communion


g) Believe in tongues--------------------believe in tongues


h) Believe in Visions-------------------------Believe in Visions


i) It looks like to me , that most of so-called Christianity , whether they know it or not are teaching the doctrine , tenets and belielfs of the RCC Theology .

j) Acts 9 , the really beginning of the Body of Christ , is easily proven by Rom 1:1 and by 1 Tim 1:15 , where the Greek word PROTOS means First and NOT Chief .

k) If you DON'T BELIEVE THIS , you can go to a Borders Book Store and buy " The Everything Catholicism Book " copyright in 2003 . Looks like they can just take you over without any problems , right ?

 

[Ghost air]

Acts 9 , the really beginning of the Body of Christ , is easily proven by Rom 1:1 and by 1 Tim 1:15 , where the Greek word PROTOS means First and NOT Chief .

k) If you DON'T BELIEVE THIS , you can go to a Borders Book Store and buy " The Everything Catholicism Book " copyright in 2003 . Looks like they can just take you over without any problems , right ?

Why would I need to buy a book at Borders when I can simply read Romans 16 and see that there were others IN CHRIST before Paul..?

7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

 

[dan p]

Why would I need to buy a book at Borders when I can simply read Romans 16 and see that there were others IN CHRIST before Paul..?

7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

1) It is one thing to BE in christ redemptionally and it is ANOTHER thing to be in the Dispensation of the Grace of God , so your arguement is MOOT .

2) And it does not negate Rom 1:1 and 1 Tim 1:15-16 .

 

[Ghost air]

1) It is one thing to BE in christ redemptionally and it is ANOTHER thing to be in the Dispensation of the Grace of God , so your arguement is MOOT .

2) And it does not negate Rom 1:1 and 1 Tim 1:15-16 .

OH... ok... Paul was only writing about their being in Christ redemptionally...

 

[dan p]

Hi Ghost air , being " in Christ " is because of salvation and being " in the Body of Christ " is by the ministry of the Holy Spirit . Just logic tells you that there was no Body of Christ until Paul was saved . So Rom 16:7 is MOOT . And 1 Tim 1:15-16 , applies , for today , for Paul was the first one , in the Body of Christ .

 

[Ghost air]

Hi Ghost air , being " in Christ " is because of salvation and being " in the Body of Christ " is by the ministry of the Holy Spirit . Just logic tells you that there was no Body of Christ until Paul was saved . So Rom 16:7 is MOOT . And 1 Tim 1:15-16 , applies , for today , for Paul was the first one , in the Body of Christ .

Well, logic tells me that the church is being built upon the confession of Jesus of Nazareth being the Son of the living God, and it's built upon the foundation of the APOSTLES and prophets with Christ Jesus being its chief cornerstone.

How in the world can you claim that Paul was the FIRST to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of the living God...? That's not logical at all.

The church of God IS the body of Christ...

 

[dan p]

Well, logic tells me that the church is being built upon the confession of Jesus of Nazareth being the Son of the living God, and it's built upon the foundation of the APOSTLES and prophets with Christ Jesus being its chief cornerstone.

How in the world can you claim that Paul was the FIRST to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of the living God...? That's not logical at all.

The church of God IS the body of Christ...

The chief cornerstone you are quoting from ( 1 Peter 2:6 ) the context is Israel , as is plainly seen .And in v5 are a priesthood and the Body of Christ IS NOT a priesthood .

1) Paul laid the foundation for the Body of Christ in 1 Cor 3:10 and is NOT THE SAME as the 1 Peter 2:6 , where Israel is a Nation of Priest , and we the Body of Christ , where Christ is the Head .

2) Anyone can be in the Body , per 1 Cor 12:13 , but in the Nation of Israel , you have to become a Jew .

3) I don't claim that Paul was first in the Body of Christ , because Paul says he IS , IN 1 Tim 1:15-16 . Just look up the word PROTOS in W E Vines Greek Dictionary and learn that Protos MEANS first . You need to read Paul and learn what he is teaching , because you will not find this truth in the Gospels but in the letters of Paul , because he wrote to the Body .

 

[Ghost air]

The chief cornerstone you are quoting from ( 1 Peter 2:6 ) the context is Israel , as is plainly seen .And in v5 are a priesthood and the Body of Christ IS NOT a priesthood .

Actually I was referring to Ephesians 2:20 which is clearly teaching us that the church of God is built upon the foundation of the APOSTLES and prophets, with Christ being the chief cornerstone...

1) Paul laid the foundation for the Body of Christ in 1 Cor 3:10 and is NOT THE SAME as the 1 Peter 2:6 , where Israel is a Nation of Priest , and we the Body of Christ , where Christ is the Head .

2) Anyone can be in the Body , per 1 Cor 12:13 , but in the Nation of Israel , you have to become a Jew .

3) I don't claim that Paul was first in the Body of Christ , because Paul says he IS , IN 1 Tim 1:15-16 . Just look up the word PROTOS in W E Vines Greek Dictionary and learn that Protos MEANS first . You need to read Paul and learn what he is teaching , because you will not find this truth in the Gospels but in the letters of Paul , because he wrote to the Body .

So let me ask you this...

Do you deny that the church of God is being built upon the confession of Jesus of Nazareth being the Son of the living God..?

Do you deny that it is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets..?

Do you actually believe that Paul was the first to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of God ?

 

[dan p]

My post #7 , answers those 3 questions , so read and check out the Word FIRST , in W E Vine Greek Dictionary .

 

[SGM4HIM]

I took your advice. You should have read it again.
Topic: Chief, Chiefest, Chiefly

[SIZE=+1]&ltA-1,Adjective,4413,protos> [/SIZE]
denotes "the first," whether in time or place. It is translated "chief" in Mark 6:21, RV, of men of Galilee; in Acts 13:50, of men in a city; in Acts 28:7, of the "chief" man in the island of Melita; in Acts 17:4, of "chief" women in a city; in Acts 28:17, of Jews; in 1 Tim. 1:15,16, of a sinner. In the following, where the AV has "chief," or "chiefest," the RV renderings are different: Matt. 20:27; Mark 10:44, "first;" Luke 19:47; Acts 25:2, "principal men;" Acts 16:12, said of Philippi, "the first (city) of the district," RV, for incorrect AV, "the chief city of that part of Macedonia." Amphipolis was the "chief" city of that part. Protos here must mean the first in the direction in which the Apostle came. See BEGINNING, BEFORE, BEST, FIRST, FORMER.

 

[Apollos1]

1 Timothy 1:15-16 –

Paul says he was the “protos”, but the protos of what?

Given what verses 13,14, and 15 say before 16, Paul is telling us that he was the “protos” (prototype), the first, the prime example that shows the longsuffering, forgiveness, and mercy that Christ has toward the world to save sinners.

There is certainly no context to suggest that the “church” is in any of the purview of the passage, or that Paul was the "first" in the church...