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<blockquote data-quote="Billnew" data-source="post: 54350240" data-attributes="member: 33389"><p>How do we know?</p><p> </p><p>Our great goverment spends $12 for sex ed, while spending $1 for abstinence teaching.</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 22px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 22px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 22px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 22px"></span></span></span></span><a href="http://www.projectreality.org/pdf/contentmgmt/Heritage_Analysis_on_Sex_Ed_Dollars_vs_Abst.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.projectreality.org/pdf/contentmgmt/Heritage_Analysis_on_Sex_Ed_Dollars_vs_Abst.pdf</a></p><p></p><p> </p><p>STDS: condoms protect against stds 50% of the time, except for AIDs, which is 85% of the time. Half the time you won't get stds if you use a condem, and 15% of the time you might get a terminal disease.</p><p>Would you fly on a discount airline if they guaranteed you make it to your destination 85% of the time?</p><p>This is if the condom was treated in ideal conditions. Not kept in the wallet, car or transported in a piping hot trailer from the factory. If the condom is exposed to heat or moisture prior to use, it is questionable as to what protection it offers.</p><p>I also read UV rays can damage the condom, I don't think this would be a big problem since most condoms are individually wrapped in a container that blocks UV light.</p><p> </p><p>I support teaching sex ed, but include abstinence teaching too.</p><p> </p><p>**Silver ring thing**</p><p> </p><p>Aids-85% effective:<span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Davis and Weller estimated that condoms provided an 85% reduction in HIV/AIDS transmission risk when infection rates were compared in always versus never users. 2001 NIH report.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I could not find the 50% referece, so I must assume ti depends on who you ask.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">How many condoms are handled perfectly to manufacturer's specifications?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">How many people wear medical gloves when removing a condem. The fluid on the outside can have the disease on it, that you get on your hands when removing. You can get Std's on the hands from contact(more likely the virus) or to mouth or other tissue transfered from hand to that area.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I have read so many times in researching this information, that human nature won't allow for abstinence to be effective. Abstinence won't work if people don't offer it.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Safe sex crowd always claims the abstinence crowd is trying to get abstinence only teaching, when only some church groups push this. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Reminder to safe sex believers:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1.check the expiration dates- out of date condoms aren't as liekly to provide protection as well as ones in date.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2.check for proper consistancy, brittle, discolored, or hardened areas of a condom show the condom has not been stored properly, or are too old.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">3.Don't freeze or heat the condom. Room temp is the proper storage temp. The car glove box gets to cold and to hot to store condoms.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">4. don't forget latex allergies.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I believe we should teach our kids to respect themselves, teach them the morales that we have been brought up in, and that typically the older you are to have sex, the better you handle it, and handle the responsibility. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">We should teach how to have sex as safe as possible, but we should not dismiss abstinence as being unrealistic. People will rise to the level they are expected to reach. If we say try to "be abstinant, but when that fails do this." We have told them that only freaks can wait to have sex. Encourage abstinence, and when you are ready for sex this is what you need to know. Education is never harmful, but educate about abstinence as well as safe sex.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sex for school age children should always be discouraged. Waiting for sex until after HS graduation is a better goal, then waiting for marriage. The more responsible the person is the better they can decide on this issue. If they wait until after HS graduation, they might decide to wait until they are married. But at least they will be adults deciding about sex, and teen pregnancy would be less likely.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Not been to suppportive of Catholic doctrine on sex. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Billnew, post: 54350240, member: 33389"] How do we know? Our great goverment spends $12 for sex ed, while spending $1 for abstinence teaching. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=6][FONT=Arial][SIZE=6][SIZE=3][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][URL]http://www.projectreality.org/pdf/contentmgmt/Heritage_Analysis_on_Sex_Ed_Dollars_vs_Abst.pdf[/URL] STDS: condoms protect against stds 50% of the time, except for AIDs, which is 85% of the time. Half the time you won't get stds if you use a condem, and 15% of the time you might get a terminal disease. Would you fly on a discount airline if they guaranteed you make it to your destination 85% of the time? This is if the condom was treated in ideal conditions. Not kept in the wallet, car or transported in a piping hot trailer from the factory. If the condom is exposed to heat or moisture prior to use, it is questionable as to what protection it offers. I also read UV rays can damage the condom, I don't think this would be a big problem since most condoms are individually wrapped in a container that blocks UV light. I support teaching sex ed, but include abstinence teaching too. **Silver ring thing** Aids-85% effective:[FONT=Arial]Davis and Weller estimated that condoms provided an 85% reduction in HIV/AIDS transmission risk when infection rates were compared in always versus never users. 2001 NIH report.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I could not find the 50% referece, so I must assume ti depends on who you ask.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]How many condoms are handled perfectly to manufacturer's specifications?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]How many people wear medical gloves when removing a condem. The fluid on the outside can have the disease on it, that you get on your hands when removing. You can get Std's on the hands from contact(more likely the virus) or to mouth or other tissue transfered from hand to that area.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I have read so many times in researching this information, that human nature won't allow for abstinence to be effective. Abstinence won't work if people don't offer it.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Safe sex crowd always claims the abstinence crowd is trying to get abstinence only teaching, when only some church groups push this. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Reminder to safe sex believers:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]1.check the expiration dates- out of date condoms aren't as liekly to provide protection as well as ones in date.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]2.check for proper consistancy, brittle, discolored, or hardened areas of a condom show the condom has not been stored properly, or are too old.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]3.Don't freeze or heat the condom. Room temp is the proper storage temp. The car glove box gets to cold and to hot to store condoms.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]4. don't forget latex allergies.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I believe we should teach our kids to respect themselves, teach them the morales that we have been brought up in, and that typically the older you are to have sex, the better you handle it, and handle the responsibility. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]We should teach how to have sex as safe as possible, but we should not dismiss abstinence as being unrealistic. People will rise to the level they are expected to reach. If we say try to "be abstinant, but when that fails do this." We have told them that only freaks can wait to have sex. Encourage abstinence, and when you are ready for sex this is what you need to know. Education is never harmful, but educate about abstinence as well as safe sex.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Sex for school age children should always be discouraged. Waiting for sex until after HS graduation is a better goal, then waiting for marriage. The more responsible the person is the better they can decide on this issue. If they wait until after HS graduation, they might decide to wait until they are married. But at least they will be adults deciding about sex, and teen pregnancy would be less likely.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Not been to suppportive of Catholic doctrine on sex. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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