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My CP at school here is slow and the site doesn't want to come up, are we talking about passing a fertilized embryo/egg? If it is we should at least try to define when life is considered to occur.
Originally posted by crazyfingers
Why? Generic life? A sperm cell is life. Would you protect them?
How about a bacteria that is inside the human body? That's life.
I don't think that "life" is a good working definiton for what you want to define.
Originally posted by juiblex
all i get is a login page, i guess i have register, which im not doing. but, if it is a contraceptive, and it does prevent the embryo from being attached, then it would be considered as passing a fertilised egg and not an abortion.
Originally posted by crazyfingers
However there is no thought at all in an embryo. All of the examples above have brains and think in some way.
But then we are disrupting God's expert design of conception and birth by removing a life that has been said to be known by God before the beginning of the world.
originally posted by brewmama:
It is a matter of weeks before the brain is forming if the embryo is just left alone.
Originally posted by brewmama
It is a matter of weeks before the brain is forming if the embryo is just left alone.
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/dev.html
Originally posted by juiblex
yes but god is omniscient, He would already know that the embryo wasnt meant to be. and as such it may in fact be part of His plan.
firstly then, we arent killing a sentient being with this drug. secondly, the brain is only forming, the embryo isnt sentient or concious.
so please make your point.
Originally posted by GTX
But then we are disrupting God's expert design of conception and birth by removing a life that has been said to be known by God before the beginning of the world.
Just because humans can safely remove life, doesn't make it right.
There are good reasons from a human standpoint (over population et al), to promote abortion, but if God is in control, then we do not have the right to mess with life, as long as the pregnancy is progressing normally.
Your logic would say all murder is justified if God knows about it, therefore it's part of his plan.
My point is that being sentient isn't the point. It's human life, which I consider sacred, and evidently you do not.
Originally posted by TheBear
"Don't wish to be pregnant?, Don't have sex!"
This over simplistic, generalized and unrealistic answer, really does not address the specific topic at hand. We are talking specifically about a medical procedure, and the moral implications. Address the specifics, and we can have an intelligent discussion.
Originally posted by GTX
Who's we?
I haven't seen you put anything forth.
Ok, maybe the saying should be altered to say "Don't want to be pregnant? Don't have pre marital sex, and if your married use contraceptives".
Juiblex: God is omniscient and would know that the baby would be aborted, but it doesn't make it right.
Originally posted by David Gould
Okay. Now, back to the real world ....
Teenagers make bad decisions - they always have and always will.
So, we have to decide what to do about it when a teenager makes the decision to have unprotected, pre marital sex.
That is what Bear is talking about when he suggests concentrating on the moral issue at hand. And the moral issue at hand is: is it moral to allow a teenager to take a pill that prevents the implantation of an embryo?
I would say yes, because I do not believe that an embryo is a human being and teenagers should not have their lives ruined by their own foolish behaviour.
You have said that once an embryo implants, it should be considered human. But you have also said that preventing implantation is dodgy. Thus, I for one am not too clear on your position. Could you clarify it for me? Thanks.
Originally posted by juiblex
i never said anything about right, that would be a value judgement. all i said was that if the baby is aborted, it wasnt meant to live in the first place, otherwise God would have changed things. therefore, if it was meant to happen, and there was no divine intervention, it is part of His plan and is meant to teach us something.
at least, thats what Christians say when different tragedies happen.
Originally posted by GTX
It's a Dodgy subject, I am on the bubble.
Are you Bears spokesman now?
What hast Bear to say?
Originally posted by David Gould
Sorry - Bear has no comment. I am Bear's official spokesperson on this issue.
I was agreeing with Bear. Your answer was not realistic and does not help solve any problems, moral or otherwise.
Okay, so you are undecided. Fair enough.
However, does that mean that you are undecided as to when a person exists or is there another reason why you are uncertain over blocking implantation?
Originally posted by GTX
Actually one of the forums mods made the quote. I just reposted it.
I am undecided because of the fertilization and the growing life, should we have the right to terminate the pregnancy at this point?
Originally posted by GTX
This thread is hot, from a rant to a hot topic!
I think the real question should be: When should life be considered unabortable life.
Not until we define and understand this and God's word can we make an educated decision based on both human values and biblical values.
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