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<blockquote data-quote="Glas Ridire" data-source="post: 61663169" data-attributes="member: 274927"><p>Well, at risk of getting into apologetics (a different section of the board), from a Christian point of view (generally, across sects and denominations), God is regarded as the Creator of all things good. That general idea as applied to morality, points to morality being . .. whatever God defines it as. God is not obliged to "tell us the rules" (pardon the TRON reference but: God could put us on the game grid without telling us the rules) God chose, as an article of Christian faith, to reveal truths about Himself and His desires through the Bible. It doesn't help that so few people read the book in the original languages as we'll see in a paragraph or so.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I (believing in the framework on which neo-classical criminology is built), though not all Christians, believe in Natural Law. I believe even without the Bible human beings at their core know. As a Christian, believing God breathed life into us and in that breath . . . some element of knowledge. As a scientist (criminology/sociology), I reach for some explanation why the majority of cultures over the majority of time have had the same core "crimes", mores, folkways. . . . murder, rape, incest, theft, deceit, etc. Culture after culture, century after century, we may differ on things like food and beverage laws, tolerance of homosexuals, citizen weapon ownership, but culture after culture the "big" crimes. .. . are the same. Natural Law. People forget what tree the apple came from in the Adam and Eve story, we as humans partook of the tree of Natural Law. </p><p></p><p> This is to a large degree due to people not reading the Bible in original languages and consequently coming to different conclusions. In the original languages in historical context, it is quite clear, quite absolute, but people argue from a variety of translations overlaying "modern" perspectives and prejudices. </p><p></p><p> You have just correctly used to different words for the taking of life. "Murder" is more in harmony with the meaning of the original language. It has to do with intent. The Bible starts early with the condemnation of Cain for premeditated murder and then relays a series of everything from being justified in killing a rapist in the act (defense of others) justified in war, justified in self defense, how to handle an accidental death. .. . etc. It is all in the OT and stops being confusing as soon as you accept that all murder is killing but not all killing is murder, a set/subset thing. </p><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Venn_A_subset_B.svg/155px-Venn_A_subset_B.svg.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Any homicide by God is justified by His office, as God of Everything. He is Judge, no jury has a right to second guess, and there is no more efficient executioner. </p><p></p><p> God doesn't murder, but He may kill . .. set/subset </p><p></p><p> The opposite is true. He is a moral example for us, but we are not God, we should indeed limit our killing to exclude murder just as He does. We are not in possession of the same knowledge and wisdom therefore a jury is prudent should we seek to try one of our own kind. As good at killing each other as humans are, we have yet to work out execution as justly and equitably as God. </p><p></p><p> Yes, but okay with God does not = okay with society. Joseph, thrown in a pit and then sold into slavery, Daniel thrown into a pit with lions, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego thrown into what sounds like a smelting furnace, Peter crucified upsidedown, Paul flogged, jailed, multiple times, Jesus? Crucified, etc. . . . there is no Biblical implication that following the Word of God somehow grants one civil or diplomatic immunity. </p><p></p><p> Slavery is given "humane" terms. If you read the rules about slavery in the Old Testament it obliged masters to be humane and then there is the Shmita (which would free indentured servants on the seventh year) and Jubilee (which frees slaves on the 49th year) effectively eliminating the possibility of Slavery as witnessed in Early American history as Biblical. Video piracy is just a modern form of theft, theft is still theft, not complex at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glas Ridire, post: 61663169, member: 274927"] Well, at risk of getting into apologetics (a different section of the board), from a Christian point of view (generally, across sects and denominations), God is regarded as the Creator of all things good. That general idea as applied to morality, points to morality being . .. whatever God defines it as. God is not obliged to "tell us the rules" (pardon the TRON reference but: God could put us on the game grid without telling us the rules) God chose, as an article of Christian faith, to reveal truths about Himself and His desires through the Bible. It doesn't help that so few people read the book in the original languages as we'll see in a paragraph or so. I (believing in the framework on which neo-classical criminology is built), though not all Christians, believe in Natural Law. I believe even without the Bible human beings at their core know. As a Christian, believing God breathed life into us and in that breath . . . some element of knowledge. As a scientist (criminology/sociology), I reach for some explanation why the majority of cultures over the majority of time have had the same core "crimes", mores, folkways. . . . murder, rape, incest, theft, deceit, etc. Culture after culture, century after century, we may differ on things like food and beverage laws, tolerance of homosexuals, citizen weapon ownership, but culture after culture the "big" crimes. .. . are the same. Natural Law. People forget what tree the apple came from in the Adam and Eve story, we as humans partook of the tree of Natural Law. This is to a large degree due to people not reading the Bible in original languages and consequently coming to different conclusions. In the original languages in historical context, it is quite clear, quite absolute, but people argue from a variety of translations overlaying "modern" perspectives and prejudices. You have just correctly used to different words for the taking of life. "Murder" is more in harmony with the meaning of the original language. It has to do with intent. The Bible starts early with the condemnation of Cain for premeditated murder and then relays a series of everything from being justified in killing a rapist in the act (defense of others) justified in war, justified in self defense, how to handle an accidental death. .. . etc. It is all in the OT and stops being confusing as soon as you accept that all murder is killing but not all killing is murder, a set/subset thing. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Venn_A_subset_B.svg/155px-Venn_A_subset_B.svg.png[/IMG] Any homicide by God is justified by His office, as God of Everything. He is Judge, no jury has a right to second guess, and there is no more efficient executioner. God doesn't murder, but He may kill . .. set/subset The opposite is true. He is a moral example for us, but we are not God, we should indeed limit our killing to exclude murder just as He does. We are not in possession of the same knowledge and wisdom therefore a jury is prudent should we seek to try one of our own kind. As good at killing each other as humans are, we have yet to work out execution as justly and equitably as God. Yes, but okay with God does not = okay with society. Joseph, thrown in a pit and then sold into slavery, Daniel thrown into a pit with lions, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego thrown into what sounds like a smelting furnace, Peter crucified upsidedown, Paul flogged, jailed, multiple times, Jesus? Crucified, etc. . . . there is no Biblical implication that following the Word of God somehow grants one civil or diplomatic immunity. Slavery is given "humane" terms. If you read the rules about slavery in the Old Testament it obliged masters to be humane and then there is the Shmita (which would free indentured servants on the seventh year) and Jubilee (which frees slaves on the 49th year) effectively eliminating the possibility of Slavery as witnessed in Early American history as Biblical. Video piracy is just a modern form of theft, theft is still theft, not complex at all. [/QUOTE]
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