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<blockquote data-quote="ShamashUruk" data-source="post: 71741944" data-attributes="member: 400322"><p>Yes I have heard this before, however, Sumerian's (to the South) speak a Pre Semitic aggulagnative language, while Akkadian's (to the North) invent ultimately the first Semitic mother tongue. </p><p></p><p>So we have a laguage debocle here, as we see a derivative of loan words from Sumer used in Semitic tongue. For example in the Lord of Aratta and Enmerkar a Neo Sumerian Cuneiform about 2100 BCE we see the Lord of Aratta’s prompt identification of markings on a piece of dried clay with wedges or nails (Sumerian g a g) correlates with the Akkadian words sikkatu “peg, nail,” miḫiṣtu “stroke, cuneiform wedge” (Sumerian g u - š u m2 ), and santakku “triangle, wedge” (Sumerian s a n t a k ), and with the expression tikip santakki “cuneiform sign.” </p><p></p><p>Likewise, in modern times, scholars have dubbed the writing system “cuneiform,” similarly alluding to the shape of the characters (Latin cuneus “wedge,” plus forma “form”). Hence we even see loan words from Sumerian writings onto Akkadian Cuneiform. </p><p></p><p>The 3rd Dynasty of Ur is about 2200-2100 BCE (depending on which references you use) we see the first glimpses of Abram about Genesis 11:27 using this timeline it is about and closely related to Genesis verse 11, which correlates to the Babylonian tower epic, and is about 2100 BCE. Meaning that while Abram is written about in Genesis 11 and there is a correlating Babel epic composed, it would appear that Abram's corresponds to the beginning of the Babel epic, wherein the language is changed. </p><p></p><p>Two things make this interesting, the first being that Ziggurat's of Babylon epic, is also found earlier in the Sumerian epic wherein "The building of this tower (temple) highly offended the gods. In a night they (threw down) what man had built, and impeded their progress. They were scattered abroad, and their speech was strange." And also "Enki confuser of languages" epic, as Enki in a much earlier Cuneiform writing changes or splits the language, the translation is completed by Sam Noah Kramer. </p><p></p><p>Also, this would then be inappropriate to consider Abram a Hebraic name at all, though it is a Common Stock West Semitic name. Reason being is that the Israelite's spoke a Canaanite language, thus the language developed. Hence the proposition that the name Abram is adopted in Hebrew, not many linguists would argue that Hebrew language is not Canaanite language, but I would state that Hebrew language being Semitic based is definitely not Sumerian language in sum.</p><p></p><p>Right, to your last statement, it is difficult to establish an Abram at all. But, the Abrahamic character could have traces in the Sumerian King's list, but a study would need to be conducted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShamashUruk, post: 71741944, member: 400322"] Yes I have heard this before, however, Sumerian's (to the South) speak a Pre Semitic aggulagnative language, while Akkadian's (to the North) invent ultimately the first Semitic mother tongue. So we have a laguage debocle here, as we see a derivative of loan words from Sumer used in Semitic tongue. For example in the Lord of Aratta and Enmerkar a Neo Sumerian Cuneiform about 2100 BCE we see the Lord of Aratta’s prompt identification of markings on a piece of dried clay with wedges or nails (Sumerian g a g) correlates with the Akkadian words sikkatu “peg, nail,” miḫiṣtu “stroke, cuneiform wedge” (Sumerian g u - š u m2 ), and santakku “triangle, wedge” (Sumerian s a n t a k ), and with the expression tikip santakki “cuneiform sign.” Likewise, in modern times, scholars have dubbed the writing system “cuneiform,” similarly alluding to the shape of the characters (Latin cuneus “wedge,” plus forma “form”). Hence we even see loan words from Sumerian writings onto Akkadian Cuneiform. The 3rd Dynasty of Ur is about 2200-2100 BCE (depending on which references you use) we see the first glimpses of Abram about Genesis 11:27 using this timeline it is about and closely related to Genesis verse 11, which correlates to the Babylonian tower epic, and is about 2100 BCE. Meaning that while Abram is written about in Genesis 11 and there is a correlating Babel epic composed, it would appear that Abram's corresponds to the beginning of the Babel epic, wherein the language is changed. Two things make this interesting, the first being that Ziggurat's of Babylon epic, is also found earlier in the Sumerian epic wherein "The building of this tower (temple) highly offended the gods. In a night they (threw down) what man had built, and impeded their progress. They were scattered abroad, and their speech was strange." And also "Enki confuser of languages" epic, as Enki in a much earlier Cuneiform writing changes or splits the language, the translation is completed by Sam Noah Kramer. Also, this would then be inappropriate to consider Abram a Hebraic name at all, though it is a Common Stock West Semitic name. Reason being is that the Israelite's spoke a Canaanite language, thus the language developed. Hence the proposition that the name Abram is adopted in Hebrew, not many linguists would argue that Hebrew language is not Canaanite language, but I would state that Hebrew language being Semitic based is definitely not Sumerian language in sum. Right, to your last statement, it is difficult to establish an Abram at all. But, the Abrahamic character could have traces in the Sumerian King's list, but a study would need to be conducted. [/QUOTE]
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