About present-day Isreal...

[revolutionist90]

Hello,
so I've been listening to some chatter on my campus and I've noticed that many of my peers really dislike Israel (the nation formed by the U.N). Most are very liberal in terms of religion and political beliefs but they have a very strong dislike of Israel and very strong trust of Palestine. I'm not sure where else to put this but I was just wondering if someone had an idea of why. Is there something wrong with Israel?
I'm not sure where this post is suppose to go so sorry if it is in the wrong place.

 

[1watchman]

One may not approve of some judgments Israel makes, and are sad they reject Jesus as the Christ of God (their Messiah), but they ARE God's covenant people and will be restored as a great nation in the Millennium time. Christians are bound by God to help them as His earthly people through this age, and will be in trouble with God for deserting them.

 

[Arcangl86]

Why? This an honest question. I've never understood the two covenant thing.

 

[Albion]

Hello,
so I've been listening to some chatter on my campus and I've noticed that many of my peers really dislike Israel (the nation formed by the U.N). Most are very liberal in terms of religion and political beliefs but they have a very strong dislike of Israel and very strong trust of Palestine.

That's right. Socialists do tend to be anti-Semitic. However, they often try to cloak it under the guise of merely being anti-Zionist or pro-Palestinian.

I'm not sure where else to put this but I was just wondering if someone had an idea of why. Is there something wrong with Israel?

Nothing other than they won't surrender their country to the terrorists; and the terrorist forces are united against all things Western, Christian, and Capitalist--the classic targets of Marxism.

 

[classicalhero]

We are blessed by God when we support Israel.

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

One may not approve of some judgments Israel makes, and are sad they reject Jesus as the Christ of God (their Messiah), but they ARE God's covenant people and will be restored as a great nation in the Millennium time. Christians are bound by God to help them as His earthly people through this age, and will be in trouble with God for deserting them.

while I say help Anyone who's in the right and with that said: before we go all out we should see that Acts 7:43 condemns the star of David as "the star of their god remphan" not to mention they deny Jesus is the christ making them anti-Christ (means against Christ) (if your not gathering with Christ you scatter making you anti-Christ not to be confused with the one world leader to come)

the star of remphan was brought out during the exodus from Egypt and was the golden calf that Arron made while Moses was up being told by God "thou shall have no gods before me or make idols etc"

Acts 7:43 yea yea took up the tabernacle (tent habatation) of YOUR god Moloch (golden calf) and the star of your god remphan (which was renamed (and CONDEMNED) the star of David - it's a triangle of pyramid (capstone) shape and from where it comes from....

Moloch - have you heard "passing your children through the fire" wellmoloch was the god of this where a metal statue of a Bull with horns and he had arms and chest of a man - his bottom half was often bell shaped. The arms were outstreached with palms upwards and a fire was built in the bell shape stomach and the child was placed on the arms/hands and slowly cooked to death..... Some of the children of Israel did this..... I had heard - don't know if it's true but j could see it - that is moloch is making a comeback....


So while God did put Israel back in SOME - ONLY SOME of their promised land
I'd think before I help those who fly this flag for THEIR GOD...


Simple as that

FYI: if you see a dot in the middle of the star of David it is the eye of Horus
whose also virgin born and the new age Christ soon to come

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Also see Amos 5:26 - can you imagine going to help those who had the calf and star and have been swallowed up with them? Number 26:10

 

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

1watchman said:but they ARE God's covenant people and will be restored as a great nation in the Millennium time.


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

that is exactly right - Look to ezekiel 37 - this is Israel 1948 with chapter 38 the coming invasion of gog (Islamic peoples) and which is met by God (38:17-39:6)
and ISRAEL IS RESTORED FOREVER MORE (39:7-25) in verse (39:26) is about the Israelites about boring all their shame and tresspases against God can also be seen at Daniel 9:24 where at the end of the 70th week they have finnished their Payment which brings in everlasting righteousness.... So we know it's the end of this world of mans rule.


We can see the Israelites are to flee in matt 24 mark 13 Luke 21 and this is at the breaking of the Daniel 9:24 at mid (3.5 yrs 1260 days and the city is surrounded for the temple to be took and the people are to flee to the wilderness - you can see this same thing at Rev 12:6 and 12:14 and notice they go for the other 1260 days (times time and half time) which is for the rest of the 7 yrs....

They go to be protected here at Daniel 11:41 - the "he is the Antichrist and you see some of the Islamic gog hord at 43 and then he hears of both china and Russia coming to the middle east and he stops right where god says armageddon takes place and he waits for them to come - 12:1-2 and at that time those found in the boke of life ride to everlasting life and others rise to everlasting shame. - this is Rev 1:7 when all eyes see Christ

 

[Yoseft]

Ah this Thread so far warms my heart.

I will wait for a few more replies, but at least I see that there are a few
that have the heart of the Father on CF.

Imagine if this Thread was posted in News and Current Events.

I would need a flack jacket.

After a while, I will give Millions of Blessings to some of the great post above!

Shalom
Yosef

 

[Evangeline77]

Hello,
so I've been listening to some chatter on my campus and I've noticed that many of my peers really dislike Israel (the nation formed by the U.N). Most are very liberal in terms of religion and political beliefs but they have a very strong dislike of Israel and very strong trust of Palestine. I'm not sure where else to put this but I was just wondering if someone had an idea of why. Is there something wrong with Israel?
I'm not sure where this post is suppose to go so sorry if it is in the wrong place.

I don't understand what you mean by "the nation formed by the UN."

Can you explain?

The Jewish people have been persecuted for hundreds of years. I believe whole-heartedly in their right and place in their homeland, Israel. God is faithful, he will not turn his back on his chosen people and he has promised redemption to them.

If you ever have the opportunity to visit Jerusalem, go there. Talk to the people that live there, Christian, Jew, Muslim... it will change your life.

 

[revolutionist90]

I don't understand what you mean by "the nation formed by the UN."

Can you explain?

The Jewish people have been persecuted for hundreds of years. I believe whole-heartedly in their right and place in their homeland, Israel. God is faithful, he will not turn his back on his chosen people and he has promised redemption to them.

If you ever have the opportunity to visit Jerusalem, go there. Talk to the people that live there, Christian, Jew, Muslim... it will change your life.

I meant that I was referring to the state of Isreal which was recognized by the U.N and formed in 1947. Of course there are biblical aspects but I wanted to know more about present day Isreal rather than referring to the Biblical Israel.

 

[Resha Caner]

Why? This an honest question. I've never understood the two covenant thing.

Yes, as Lutherans we don't accept that. The current Israeli nation is a political entity, and has no special covenant with God - no more than the U.S. does (and some Americans do talk as if they think we're the chosen people).

That should have been clear enough from Matthew 3:7-10 and John 8:31-47, but if not, there are also sections like Romans 11.

Israel is a critical ally of the U.S., and we have reason to support them for that reason, but it is not a theological reason as much as people try to make it so.

 

[Armoured]

Hello,
so I've been listening to some chatter on my campus and I've noticed that many of my peers really dislike Israel (the nation formed by the U.N). Most are very liberal in terms of religion and political beliefs but they have a very strong dislike of Israel and very strong trust of Palestine. I'm not sure where else to put this but I was just wondering if someone had an idea of why. Is there something wrong with Israel?
I'm not sure where this post is suppose to go so sorry if it is in the wrong place.

All really rather depends on whether or not you think Israel's actions are either threat appropriate or needlessly heavy handed in it's treatment of Palestinians and so on. All I can suggest is familiarise yourself as much as possible with the history of both sides of the conflict, and make up your own mind.

 

[PBA]

Yes, as Lutherans we don't accept that. The current Israeli nation is a political entity, and has no special covenant with God - no more than the U.S. does (and some Americans do talk as if they think we're the chosen people).
That should have been clear enough from Matthew 3:7-10 and John 8:31-47, but if not, there are also sections like Romans 11.
Israel is a critical ally of the U.S., and we have reason to support them for that reason, but it is not a theological reason as much as people try to make it so.

-Scripture states in the last days God will bring His people (Jews) back to their own land (Israel). Those under the covenant made with Abraham.
In 1948 they became a political state.
God has also chosen people that truly belong to Christ under the new covenant, from every tribe and nation.
Scripture also states that God will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling in the last days.
God hasn't forgotten His covenant with Abraham or His covenant with those in Christ.
Scripture states that God will visit the Gentiles for 2 days, then return and build the house of David again.
Use a concordance to find all scriptures relating to this and study it out prayerfully.

 

[Resha Caner]

-Scripture states in the last days God will bring His people (Jews) back to their own land (Israel). Those under the covenant made with Abraham.

Yes, and the parenthetical insertions are your interpretation of who his people are and what land is involved. My statement was not just my personal position, but the position of my entire church body (the LCMS). The issue has been studied over and over, so I don't think more study will settle it.

I assume you would agree that the Jews won't be given a special place just because of biology, i.e. just because the descendents of Abraham continue to procreate. So, what was the purpose of OT Israel? Why did God call them his chosen people? Did they have some special, Herculean quality that made them the obvious pick? Did they have a special mission? What was the reason?

 

[PBA]

Yes, and the parenthetical insertions are your interpretation of who his people are and what land is involved. My statement was not just my personal position, but the position of my entire church body (the LCMS). The issue has been studied over and over, so I don't think more study will settle it.
I assume you would agree that the Jews won't be given a special place just because of biology, i.e. just because the descendants of Abraham continue to procreate. So, what was the purpose of OT Israel? Why did God call them his chosen people? Did they have some special, Herculean quality that made them the obvious pick? Did they have a special mission? What was the reason?

- Abraham was chosen because he believed in God, followed Him, and obeyed His voice. Israel was to make God known in the earth and be a blessing.
- They will be given a special opportunity - to repent and be grafted back in as the natural olive branch. God will pour upon them the Spirit of grace and supplication. We Gentiles who believed were given opportunity by grace to be grafted into the olive branch when they rejected Christ. Paul explains this, telling the Gentiles not to be haughty.
It's all about God and His goodness.
There is no cause for man to boast except in God's mercy and grace. God will fulfill His plans and purposes His way. That's all I'm saying here.

 

[Resha Caner]

There is no cause for man to boast except in God's mercy and grace. God will fulfill His plans and purposes His way.

Agreed.

Abraham was chosen because he believed in God, followed Him, and obeyed His voice. Israel was to make God known in the earth and be a blessing.

OK. Is Israel doing this today? If not, who is?

They will be given a special opportunity - to repent and be grafted back in as the natural olive branch.

Does this mean the Jews won't need Christ during this special opportunity?

Does this special opportunity apply to all Jews who ever lived, or just to those living when the opportunity is given?

 

[PBA]

Agreed.
OK. Is Israel doing this today? If not, who is?
Does this mean the Jews won't need Christ during this special opportunity?
Does this special opportunity apply to all Jews who ever lived, or just to those living when the opportunity is given?

- Re read my statements. God will return to Israel with a special move of His Spirit of grace and supplication for the purpose of them to repent and receive Christ.

 

[Resha Caner]

- Re read my statements. God will return to Israel with a special move of His Spirit of grace and supplication for the purpose of them to repent and receive Christ.

That doesn't answer my questions. But I'll let it drop.

 

[1watchman]

The promises of God will be fulfilled for Israel as a people and that is a surety; however, ALL souls (Israelites and Gentiles) in this day must accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord or will perish in the end.