Abortion

[BeckyJ]

For the sake of this post...
anti-abortion are those who are against abortion.
pro-abortion are those who are fine with abortion for any reason.

When any abortion happens a growing baby dies.
And even though you may not have an abortion yourself, if you support that others can if they choose, that's still being for abortion since a dead growing baby is the result.
Adoption is an option if a woman doesn't want her son or daughter. There are plenty of people willing to adopt unwanted babies.


Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

For the sake of this post...
anti-abortion are those who are against abortion.
pro-abortion are those who are fine with abortion for any reason.

When any abortion happens a growing baby dies.
And even though you may not have an abortion yourself, if you support that others can if they choose, that's still being for abortion since a dead growing baby is the result.
Adoption is an option if a woman doesn't want her son or daughter. There are plenty of people willing to adopt unwanted babies.


Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

I consider myself strongly pro-life, but I'm sure some doofus out there, somewhere, is going to insist that I'm not since I think abortions done in the case of incest, rape or ecoptic pregnancy can be left to the conscience of the affected woman and be permitted in such a case without guilt.

 

[BeckyJ]

I consider myself strongly pro-life, but I'm sure some doofus out there, somewhere, is going to insist that I'm not since I think abortions done in the case of incest, rape or ecoptic pregnancy can be left to the conscience of the affected woman and be permitted in such a case without guilt.

Umm, removal of an ectopic pregnancy, even through medical intervention, is not the same thing as abortion.
An induced abortion ends the life of a growing baby who would otherwise develop to a stage where he or she could survive outside the womb. If left alone, a pre-born child in the womb continues to grow and develop. Abortion brings that life to a premature end.
In an ectopic pregnancy, by contrast, the fertilized egg will likely never develop to a stage where the baby can survive outside the mother. The embryo usually dies on its own. The remains are either expelled naturally or removed by a doctor.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Umm, removal of an ectopic pregnancy, even through medical intervention, is not the same thing as abortion.
An induced abortion ends the life of a growing baby who would otherwise develop to a stage where he or she could survive outside the womb. If left alone, a pre-born child in the womb continues to grow and develop. Abortion brings that life to a premature end.
In an ectopic pregnancy, by contrast, the fertilized egg will likely never develop to a stage where the baby can survive outside the mother. The embryo usually dies on its own. The remains are either expelled naturally or removed by a doctor.

Thank you for the biology lesson and the reminder to check my spelling.

 

[BeckyJ]

Thank you for the biology lesson and the reminder to check my spelling.

Umm, not my intention in my reply. No reason to be crass

 

[PloverWing]

Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

No.

There are many shades of moral gray between "no abortions are permissible" and "all abortions are permissible". Compare the question of violence in general: there are many shades of moral gray between "it is never permissible to injure anyone at any time for any reason" and "I'm allowed to walk down the street and beat up anybody I feel like". Few people are pure pacifists or pure storms of violence; most people draw the line somewhere around self-defense, or war, or something else in that middle gray. I consider the question of abortion to be similar to the more general question of violence.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Umm, not my intention in my reply. No reason to be crass

Umm..........I wasn't actually being crass, rather I was humored really, which is why I gave you the 'winky' emoji.

Now, I'm giving you the friendly smile.

 

[RileyG]

For the sake of this post...
anti-abortion are those who are against abortion.
pro-abortion are those who are fine with abortion for any reason.

When any abortion happens a growing baby dies.
And even though you may not have an abortion yourself, if you support that others can if they choose, that's still being for abortion since a dead growing baby is the result.
Adoption is an option if a woman doesn't want her son or daughter. There are plenty of people willing to adopt unwanted babies.


Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

Pro life. Womb to tomb.

 

[BeckyJ]

Umm..........I wasn't actually being crass, rather I was humored really, which is why I gave you the 'winky' emoji.

Now, I'm giving you the friendly smile.

I appreciate the reply and the wink and the smile.
So many online reply similar to that and mean it in a crass way.
What was humorous to you about the reply?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I appreciate the reply and the wink and the smile.
So many online reply similar to that and mean it in a crass way.
What was humorous to you about the reply?

It was simply that I realized I had made a spelling error and I awlays hate it when I do that.



....but back to the topic at hand: yes, I'm essentially pro-life, but I realize there can be philosophical arguments to qualify some situations women find themselves in when they become pregnant. They may qualify for extra-interdisciplinary and qualified consideration.

 

[BeckyJ]

....but back to the topic at hand: yes, I'm essentially pro-life, but I realize there can be philosophical arguments to qualify some situations women find themselves in when they become pregnant. They may qualify for extra-interdisciplinary and qualified consideration.

A common argument against the Christian stance on abortion is “What about cases of rape and/or incest?” As emotionally difficult as it would be to face a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, is the murder of a baby the solution?
Two wrongs do not make a right. Intentionally killing the innocent unborn child is not the answer.
Also, keep in mind that having an abortion is itself a traumatic experience for most. It seems nonsensical to add an additional trauma to the woman.
Too, abortion can be a means of rapists covering up their crimes. For example, if a minor is molested and becomes pregnant and then is taken to have an abortion, the molestation could continue without penalty.
Abortion will never erase the pain of rape or incest, but it very well may add to it.

Even a child who is conceived through sad circumstances like rape or incest is made in the image of God the same as any other human.
That innocent child’s life should be protected just as much as the life of any other human being. The circumstances of conception never determine the worth of a person or that person’s future.
The baby in this situation is completely innocent and should not be punished for the evil act of another.
Depending on the situation, the mother might choose to raise the child. If she does not already have a community of support, she can turn to many organizations and local churches prepared to walk alongside her.
Or she might place the child for adoption. There are many families, some unable to have children on their own, who stand ready to receive and love a child from any background.

It’s also important to keep in mind that abortions due to rape or incest account for a very small percentage of total abortions: about 1 percent of abortions can be traced to cases of rape or incest (via Torres and Forrest, cited by Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health and the Alan Guttmacher Institute in An Overview of Abortion in the United States, October 2001, www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8#cite-1, accessed 9/9/21).

I have a friend who was raped in her teens. She struggled to decide on what to do. After much thought and prayer, she decided to keep the baby.
That baby is now grown and married and has given her Mother grandkids. Even though it was a difficult decision when she found out she was pregnant from the rape, she says she can't imagine her life without her daughter and grandkids. God can turn bad situations into blessings!!

 

[Vambram]

I'm pro-life and anti-abortion.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

A common argument against the Christian stance on abortion is “What about cases of rape and/or incest?” As emotionally difficult as it would be to face a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, is the murder of a baby the solution?
Two wrongs do not make a right. Intentionally killing the innocent unborn child is not the answer.
Also, keep in mind that having an abortion is itself a traumatic experience for most. It seems nonsensical to add an additional trauma to the woman.
Too, abortion can be a means of rapists covering up their crimes. For example, if a minor is molested and becomes pregnant and then is taken to have an abortion, the molestation could continue without penalty.
Abortion will never erase the pain of rape or incest, but it very well may add to it.

Even a child who is conceived through sad circumstances like rape or incest is made in the image of God the same as any other human.
That innocent child’s life should be protected just as much as the life of any other human being. The circumstances of conception never determine the worth of a person or that person’s future.
The baby in this situation is completely innocent and should not be punished for the evil act of another.
Depending on the situation, the mother might choose to raise the child. If she does not already have a community of support, she can turn to many organizations and local churches prepared to walk alongside her.
Or she might place the child for adoption. There are many families, some unable to have children on their own, who stand ready to receive and love a child from any background.

It’s also important to keep in mind that abortions due to rape or incest account for a very small percentage of total abortions: about 1 percent of abortions can be traced to cases of rape or incest (via Torres and Forrest, cited by Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health and the Alan Guttmacher Institute in An Overview of Abortion in the United States, October 2001, www.abortionfacts.com/facts/8#cite-1, accessed 9/9/21).

I have a friend who was raped in her teens. She struggled to decide on what to do. After much thought and prayer, she decided to keep the baby.
That baby is now grown and married and has given her Mother grandkids. Even though it was a difficult decision when she found out she was pregnant from the rape, she says she can't imagine her life without her daughter and grandkids. God can turn bad situations into blessings!!

And I was going to mention that rape and incest likely constitute a single digit percentage of abortions, so I don't have any major refutation of what you've said.

The only caveat I will offer is that I'm highly sympathetic to women who have been abused, so while I'm pro-life, I don't want to put a law of severe prohibition over the head of any abused woman (or girl) and I'm going to side with the idea of due respect for those women and aver that we should allow them to work through the complications of being caught in that kind of scenario, doing so without making the decision 'for' her or dropping guilt on her head for making a decision we may disagree with. Not all abused women can handle the trauma and make a pro-life decision.

 

[BobRyan]

For the sake of this post...
anti-abortion are those who are against abortion.
pro-abortion are those who are fine with abortion for any reason.

When any abortion happens a growing baby dies.
And even though you may not have an abortion yourself, if you support that others can if they choose, that's still being for abortion since a dead growing baby is the result.
Adoption is an option if a woman doesn't want her son or daughter. There are plenty of people willing to adopt unwanted babies.


Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

Ex 20 says not to murder , so I am against killing babies no matter how old they are.

 

[Lukaris]

Pro life and believe Roe v Wade should have remained. There were social conditions it kept in balance. Preaching pro life would save more lives & reduce abortion in the long run.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

For the sake of this post...
anti-abortion are those who are against abortion.
pro-abortion are those who are fine with abortion for any reason.

When any abortion happens a growing baby dies.
And even though you may not have an abortion yourself, if you support that others can if they choose, that's still being for abortion since a dead growing baby is the result.
Adoption is an option if a woman doesn't want her son or daughter. There are plenty of people willing to adopt unwanted babies.


Do you consider yourself anti-abortion or pro-abortion?

I am pro- life and pro -choice.
I know....this won't go over very well.

Blessings