Abortion

Mary_Magdalene · Mar 24, 2004

flicka said:
Your still thinking in your fantasy GODSCHOSENGIRL. Try flipping it around and seeing what you don't want to see...the other side. That's what it takes to make a logical decision. If you can't see both sides your not thinking it through. I'm not even arguing with you about what you said because I said it first (ie: Gerber babies, adoption etc.), I'm just saying there is more to it but your refusing to go there.

Fair enough. It takes guts to point out the negative impacts of your ideas and still fight for them and I don't blame you for not wanting to think about it. It makes life so much nicer...

Please point them out for us. I have no idea what you are talking about.

flicka · Mar 24, 2004

Godschosengirl said:
Please point them out for us. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course you don't ...but rather than type up a book for you to read you can just do a search on these forums and read posts that have to do with abortion....there is alot to read but I predict that even if you read everything you won't change your mind. But hopefully you can at least acknowlege the FACT that there are two sides to everything and making laws to ban abortions isn't just going to make everything rosy.

Outspoken · Mar 24, 2004

flicka said:
Of course you don't ...but rather than type up a book for you to read you can just do a search on these forums and read posts that have to do with abortion....there is alot to read but I predict that even if you read everything you won't change your mind. But hopefully you can at least acknowlege the FACT that there are two sides to everything and making laws to ban abortions isn't just going to make everything rosy.

Are you saying you refuse to clarify your point? Why? Type it up, she might read it. If not then don't bait her and go on. No need to put in comments like, I'd do it but you wouldn't change anyway. that's counter productive.

Though I agree it won't make everything rosey, it sure would lead to a lot of saved lives.

Mary_Magdalene · Mar 24, 2004

no, you brought it up. It is your responsibility as a poster to back up what you are saying.

What are the negative impacts of illegalizing abortion? Please enlighten us. you dont have to write a book. just list a few things.

theseed · Mar 24, 2004

Mylinkay Asdara said:
no no no. I have the right to make the choice, but not commit the action. Two separate things. I can choose to murder someone, and as long as I never go through with it I'm still okay... it's when I actually complete the follow up action of committing the deed that I have stepped beyond my rights. (It's semantics anyway - not the point and we're getting off topic)

If you decide to murder some one, but chose not to follow through then you changed your choice, you changed your mind.

flicka · Mar 24, 2004

Godschosengirl said:
no, you brought it up. It is your responsibility as a poster to back up what you are saying.

What are the negative impacts of illegalizing abortion? Please enlighten us. you dont have to write a book. just list a few things.

First off, I don't debate abortion. I wouldn't try to change anyones mind, I only point out flaws in logic, like you saying there isn't any side but your side. Your a black and white person...while I see tons of grey. The implications of making abortion a criminal act boggles my mind, but if you don't, or can't, see that there is no point talking about it since it's been talked to death by people with better debating skills than I have.

There are people here who refuse to acknowledge any view but their own...a reasonable thing considering this is a debate forum. But your going to have to fight it out with someone else because this isn't something I can repeat to every new person I meet here. Like I said, do a search...thats what that little button is for

Mary_Magdalene · Mar 24, 2004

Outspoken · Mar 25, 2004

flicka said:
First off, I don't debate abortion.

then don't post in this thread

She was very correct to ask you to back up your statements. You have not pointed out any wrongful logic, only said you don't want abortion illegalized them didn't back up your opinion. You are entitled to it, but don't blast people when they ask you to back it up with reason.

As with your "do a search" coment. The burden of proof is yours. You do the work to make your own point, don't expect us to do your work.

edreams · Mar 28, 2004

ok, I have not read all of the replies about this yet...
please do not judge me...
I am going to tell my story... how it went...
whether you agree or not...this is what happend...
I was born with 3 heart conditions...
When I was 17 I got pregnant...
They told me that if I tried to carry the baby, the baby and I would die.
I got an abortion...
yes, I could have gone along with the pregnancy...
but I was young, and going along with what all of the doctors said (and yes I got more than one opinion)
right after the abortion, I had heart surgery...
2 years later, I had a son (and I had alot of problems having him also)
I feel that it is ok when the mother is having medical conditions.
I am definitely against the girls who have 5 or 6 of them, just as a form of birth control...
looking back now, I may have done things differently...
What do you all feel about this???

Bob Moore · Mar 29, 2004

I'm curious. Knowing that you had serious medical conditions, why did you voluntarily put yourself in that position in the first place?

Crofter · Mar 29, 2004

edreams... congratulations on having your son... you sound like you had difficult times and sometimes life dosen't go the way we would like it to go but it is good to hear a story with light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't think you can ever look back and think you might have done things differenty...we make descisions based on who and where we are at that time in life.... as we make these choices we live and learn.

also.... if you had acted differently you might well have died and your son would not have been born... etc... etc.. etc...

edreams · Mar 29, 2004

why?
because I was young and stupid...

edreams · Mar 29, 2004

Crofter said:
edreams... congratulations on having your son... you sound like you had difficult times and sometimes life dosen't go the way we would like it to go but it is good to hear a story with light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't think you can ever look back and think you might have done things differenty...we make descisions based on who and where we are at that time in life.... as we make these choices we live and learn.

also.... if you had acted differently you might well have died and your son would not have been born... etc... etc.. etc...

Thank you so much for the kind words Crofter...
That is what I always try to tell myself...
but its hard sometimes.. because I still think about it alot...
I love my life now though... when I was 17, my bf at the time was a drug addict... and now I am with a loving husband who is wonderful to me...
Crofter thanks again....

elivi · Mar 29, 2004

edreams,

Please, understand that I say this with as much caution and sensitivity as I can muster. Everybody has been young and stupid at one time, and made serious mistakes. I was young and stupid once, and got pregnant in college before my H and I got married. My mother was also young and stupid several times, aborted many of my brothers/sisters before and AFTER having me. My twin sister and I were the only ones spared.

I am praying for God's peace and grace in your life, He is the one who makes up for our young and stupid mistakes!

On the other hand, I believe very firmly that no innocent child should have to pay with his/her life for our bad choices. That is why some of us are so strongly against abortion. It is not in judgement against you - you have suffered more than we have!

edreams · Mar 29, 2004

Thank you elivi for your kind words...
and actually my views dont differ much from yours...
I believe that abortion should be illegal, with medical exceptions, and should only be used as a very last resort, in a hospital...

elivi · Mar 29, 2004

It doesn't sound like they differ at all.

If it's medically necessary to protect the life of the mother, then she should be able to decide if she wants to risk her life or not. I don't think many pro-lifers would argue with you about that. And you couldn't be more right that it should ONLY be done in a hospital setting.

Ever read the book "Lime 5?" It is a graphic outlook on the horrible state of abortion these days, because the industry has not been regulated or held up to the same standards hospitals have to adhere to. My mother was one of the many women permanently damaged by her abortion. It is sad and scary.

edreams · Mar 29, 2004

no, I have not read that...
I was lucky enough to have very caring parents, who had the money to be able to pay for me to have it done in the hospital by a good doctor.
I know that alot of women go through hell, and some cant have anymore children afterwards...
it really is sad...
I feel so terrible for your mother...

Outspoken · Mar 30, 2004

edreams said:
looking back now, I may have done things differently...
What do you all feel about this???

I agree, that sounds like a very scary thing, and if a loved one was in that situation I'm not sure how I would react. Being a 3rd person observer I can say that Christ himself was in a high fear situation and still went with what God wanted. Let me commend you and praise God for you not aborting your son and be the first to say that (given my view that abortion is wrong) God forgives sin no matter the circumstance.

The thing is that around 7 or less percent of children are aborted for life threatening reasons. that's a simple fact and we should not base on a law on that.

edreams · Mar 30, 2004

Outspoken said:
The thing is that around 7 or less percent of children are aborted for life threatening reasons. that's a simple fact and we should not base on a law on that.

Like I said earlier, I think that abortion should be illegal, with medical exceptions, and only performed in hospitals with doctors.

Jeszaramuhamadarthamusrex · Mar 31, 2004

It's ridiculous to get pregnant nowadays anyway, with all of our new types of birthcontrol, which aren't that hard to get. If you're serious enough to have sex, then you should be responsible enough to get some form of contraception. And if you have sex unprotected, its your fault if you get pergnant. There are so many girls who have multiple superfluous abortions, they shouldn't have a second chance/abortion, because they screwed up already. Besides, killing a baby that is alive in the womb is the same as killing the baby as soon as it leaves the birth canal, only it isn't as developed. So murdering just-born babies should be legalized? Once the baby starts developing it is already alive, thats what matters. Just because it's in the womb and underdeveloped it should be disregarded because you don't see it or know whether or not it yet has a soul or any feeling. So we want to pretend it doesn't exist, erase the mistake. It's over the baby's accord to be aborted, as it is also a choice of the woman's. Maybe that baby wanted to grow and live. Who should be denied a choice? The irresponsible woman or the little inferior glob of jelly in the womb?

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