Abortion doctors admit its Murder

[PetersKeys]

Lotsa pro-abortionists aren't ever there to see what an abortion really looks like or see through the eyes of what an abortion doctor sees. Here are the snippits of many abortion doctors who admit it truely is murder. When the act is being done right in front of your face it is totally different than what the people see and think outside the clinic walls. I think this shows that our conscious knows in our soul that it is murder.

I have the utmost respect for life; I appreciate that life starts early in the womb, but also believe that I’m ending it for good reasons.... So yes, I end life, but even when it’s hard, it’s for a good reason." (1)
Boston Abortion Doctor

"If I see a case...after twenty weeks, where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there...On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is "who owns this child?" It's got to be the mother." (2)
The late Dr. James MacMahon, who performed D&X (also known as Partial Birth) abortions
"I dare say any thinking sensitive individual can't not realize that he is ending life or potential life."(3)
Abortionist Dr. Charles Bender
"A lot of people say they're killing their baby. You get a lot of that. Some people afterwards get very upset and say 'I killed my baby.' Or even before, they say 'My circumstances are such that I can't keep it, but I'm killing my baby.' They wouldn't rather have the baby, and give it up for adoption either. If you go into that with them they will say that they could never do that...and yet they still consider it killing the baby...well, they are killing a baby. I mean, they are killing something that would develop into maturity..." (4)
Clinic Worker Dora Greenwald
"When you do a D & C most of the tissue is removed by the Olden forceps or ring clamp and you actually get gross parts of the fetus out. So you can see a miniature person so to speak, and even now I occasionally feel a little peculiar about it because as a physician I'm trained to conserve life and here I am destroying life." (5)
Dr. Benjamin Kalish, abortionist

"In the beginning I was mixed up because I was taughtby the Hippocratic Oathnot to take a life." (6)
Abortionist Michael Christie

"It [abortion] goes against all things which are natural. It's a termination of a life, however you look at it." (7)
Abortionist Robert Harris


It's a central question in the abortion debate- does abortion take a human life? Some abortion providers give surprising answers to this question.

"[The author] said "Is this a fair way of expressing what you have just said, Doctor? You tell the mother "because your baby is defective, you have the right to kill it or not to kill it. If you choose to kill it, I will do the killing." "Of course," he [the abortionist] said. "There is no other way to say it and be honest." (8)
Conversation with an abortion doctor​

"I have angry feelings at myself for feeling good about grasping the calvaria [head], for feeling good about doing a technically good procedure that destroys a fetus, kills a baby." (9)
Anonymous abortionist

"It [abortion] is a form of killing. You're ending a life." (10)
Abortion Advocate and President of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, Ron Fitzsimmons

"Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It's really barbaric. Abortions are very draining, exhausting, and heartrending. There are a lot of tears. Sometimes patients turn on you. They say, "Let's get out of here," after the abortion, as if you're some dirty person. It's vicious. Then you get these teenyboppers in the office who laugh their way through it. It doesn't mean a thing to them. That bothers me...I do them because I take the attitude that women are going to terminate babies and deserve the same kind of treatment as women who carry babies...I've done a couple thousand, and it turned into a significant financial boon, but I also feel I've provided an important service. The only way I can do an abortion is to consider only the woman as my patient and block out the baby..." (11)
Unnamed abortionist


http://www.clinicquotes.com/killing.html

 

[Paulos23]

A few points:

There is no such thing as a pro-abortionist. There are pro-choice, which is a difference I am sure you don't want to make.

Murder is a legal definition, and abortion is not included in it yet.

I understand that some doctors don't want to do an abortion and/or have emotional problems with it. But those are emotional arguments, not enough to convince me that the choice should be taken away.

 

[DZoolander]

The whole partial birth abortion debate is a bunch of nonsense - quite honestly. It's a red-herring put out there by pundits - and the sooner we stop talking about it the better off we'll be.

Nearly 90% of all abortions occur within the first 12 weeks. 20 weeks and after comprises less than 1%. If you pay attention to the debates, however, you'd swear that they were happening in droves.

 

[jwu]

Just wondering: Many of the quotes have "..." in them. Are unedited versions available as well? I've seen it way too often that such edits remove important parts.

 

[imind]

funny, i didn't read one doctor speak of 'murder'.

it is unfortunate that some feel they need to lie in order communicate their agenda. it is especially unsettling when these people are apparently lying for christ.

 

[Canuckmom]

How many millions is it now since Roe V Wade?
I can't help but be reminded of IIKings23, 24 where even though King Josiah was a good king yet God would not forgive but destroy Judah because of the innocent blood spilt by Manasseh.
God has not changed. Murder is still murder, innocent blood is still innocent blood. It will be payday someday for the western nations.

 

[quatona]

Here are the snippits of many abortion doctors who admit it truely is murder.

Why, then, don´t you post those quotes where they admit it is murder instead of posting quotes where they don´t make any such statements?

 

[cantata]

Killing ≠ murder. As well these doctors know.

 

[flicka]

How many millions is it now since Roe V Wade?

Abortion existed before RvW. And I can't help but be thankful that those millions are not here with us now. What the heck would be done with them? All I can think of is millions living and dying under horrible conditions since they weren't wanted. Sure, a few might have been ok but so might a few of the millions of miscarried pregnancies too. I don't mourn them and I don't mourn the aborted...there is no difference is the fact that THEY ARE NOT HERE.

 

[PetersKeys]

Yeah, I got this forward in my inbox a couple of years ago. No names on some the quotes, no information as to where they came from, no real medical information included in them... I treated the email like I do every other forward.

Though I did note the irony that comes in people who are anti-abortion not listening to the doctors who say that abortion isn't murder (and actually provide, you know, like names, qualifications, and other means to track who they are and verify that they're actual doctors, and not some right-wing organization coming up with their own quotes to suit their agendas), accusing them of murder, attacking their morality, etc etc... But when quotes come up that say what they like that are, in theory, from abortion doctors, why then by goodness, we must all listen, drop everything, and believe what they say, accept it all as proof that abortion is awful and evil, and attack all others that disagree.

Hypocrisy is so fun.

But really, anybody could have written this. So it doesn't matter.

I suggest you read the bottom before you claim "no information where they came from"

1. Cheryl Alkon "Confessions of an Abortion Doctor" Boston Magazine December 2004
2. Nat Hentoff "It's Just too Late: Third Trimester Abortions are an Outrage and an Insult to the Human Race" Pittsburg Post Gazette July 27. 1993
3. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital (Basic Books, Inc.: New York) 1976. p 64
4. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 77
5. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 140
6. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 145
7. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 147
8. Jeff Lane Hensley. The Zero People (Servant Books: Ann Arbor) 1983, p 9
9. Diane M. Gianelli, "Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts," American Medical News, July 12, 1993.
10. David Stout "An Abortion Rights Advocate Says he Lied About the Procedure" New York Times February 26, 1997
11. John Pekkanen. M.D.: Doctors Talk About Themselves (Delcorte Press: New York) 1988. Pgs 90-91
12. Peter Korn. Lovejoy: A Year in the Life of an Abortion Clinic (The Atlantic Monthly Press: New York) 1996 p 94
13. Leo Wang "The Abortionist" Berkeley Medical Journal Spring 1995
14. Dr. William F. Harrison "Why I Provide Abortions" 1996
15. Donahue, May 15, 1989, Transcript #3288 NBC
16. Magda Denes, PhD. "Performing Abortions" Commentary October 1976 p 34
17. John Powell, S.J. Abortion: The Silent Holocaust (Argus Communications: Allen, Tx) 1981, p 66
18. Daily News (Chicago) October 22, 1976) Quoted in Abortion: The Silent Holocaust by John Powell, S.J. p 67
19. Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue. (Insight Books: New York) 1995, p 30
20. Nat Hentoff "An Abortionist's World: How to Rationalize Inhumanity" The Washington Times Febuary 6, 2006. Citing Stephanie Simon "Offering Abortion, Rebirth" Los Angeles Times November 29, 2005
21. New York Times Magazine April 7, 1977. Quoted by Magda Denes and Cited in Abortion: The Silent Holocaust p 67-68
22. Nancy Dey Abortion: Debating the Issue (Enslow Publishers: Springfield, IL) 1995 p 49
23. Stephen Chapman "Is Partial Birth Abortion Really So Awful?" Chicago Tribune March 23, 1997 p 23
24. Tamara L. Roleff. Abortion: Opposing Viewpoints (Greenhaven Press: San Diego) 1997 p 25
25. Magda Denes, PhD. "Performing Abortions" Commentary Magazine October 1976, 33-37
26. Democrat & Chronicle 7/5/92​

Now where are your statistics from you pro-abortionists?? Oh wait you have none I forgot, except the 60 million already dead

Why is everyone so touchy? These are quotes from the doctors YOU support.

There is no such thing as a pro-abortionist. There are pro-choice, which is a difference I am sure you don't want to make.

The problem is there is no such difference. You can mask anything under "Choice". "I think its ok for people to have the CHOICE to murder anyone. And because of that im pro-choice." I prefer to name them what they truely are. Human beings aren't choices.

 

[PetersKeys]

Abortion existed before RvW. And I can't help but be thankful that those millions are not here with us now. What the heck would be done with them? All I can think of is millions living and dying under horrible conditions since they weren't wanted. Sure, a few might have been ok but so might a few of the millions of miscarried pregnancies too. I don't mourn them and I don't mourn the aborted...there is no difference is the fact that THEY ARE NOT HERE.

60 million isn't alot compared to the population of the world. If those 60 million were alive there wouldn't be much difference because they would be dispersed all over the world. In fact you'd probably notice nothing.

The root we need to get to in this world is WHY these children weren't wanted in the first place. And this has to do with absolutly no teaching of family values in our school systems and familys. We need to start returning to christian moral before its too late, where husband and wife have roles, and children are protected.

 

[Washington]

funny, i didn't read one doctor speak of 'murder'.

Shhhh! You weren't suppose to notice that.

But I have to say that a post the makes a bald face assertion, follows it up with supposed examples, and not a one measures up, is really verrry sad.

 

[PetersKeys]

Shhhh! You weren't suppose to notice that.

But I have to say that a post the makes a bald face assertion, follows it up with supposed examples, and not a one measures up, is really verrry sad.

And whats even more sad are people who make ad hominem posts.

Did you even read the references and the link? All referances have the book, page number and magazine number. Now's wheres your proof that none of these measure up? Oh wait, you have none, lol. Just usual ad hominem.

 

[The Nihilist]

Well gee wiz, you got me there. Nobody could EVER make up a false biblography. So it all *must* be true. I mean, it looks real, it says what you want to hear, so obviously, it's all legit. ​

PS - For fun, I randomly selected one of your cites to your chainletter essay to check and see how accurate the selected text was. I took cite number 24. For your information, Greenhaven Press came to be in 2000, and the book on abortion was published and released in 2002, not 1997 as the bibliography claims. Their "opposing viewpoints" series is a series of middle school level booklets dealing with current event issues. It contains the selected essays of people on either side of an issue. It's basically a collection of editorials from a variety of people on either side of the issue. A simple look at the layout of the book shows that the quoted page comes not from an abortion doctor, but the essay written by an author in response to an essay written by the Catholic Bishops of the United States, and called "Analysis of the Roman Catholic Bishops' November 1998 Political Pastoral Statement 'Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics,"​

As you can see, I linked the essay in question (actually, you can read all of the essays in the book in their entirety on the internet, the links are provided in the link I gave above), and nowhere anywhere does that text appear in the essay. In fact, nowhere that I can find, can the quote given be found in the essay before or after that chapter. And actually, there's no mention of a Dr. Sloan, from what I scanned, in any of the essays in that book. There's no reason to think that quote is actually:

A. From an abortion doctor
B. From that abortion doctor
C. From the book listed in the bibliography
D. From any of the essays, selected or in the whole of the text in the essays​

So at best, the quote is taken out of context from a book that was written 5 years after the claimed publication date in the bibliography and from an essay published 2 years after the claimed publication date (that's in response to an essay written a year after the listed publication date)... And at worst, it's a complete and total fabrication that the authors pulled out of their behinds on the asumption nobody would research the quote.​

Hmmm... I wonder how many other of the quotes would hold water if the bibliography was researched... I did a quick look on the book "In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital" and found no book by that name for sale in Amazon or Ebay, nor did I find a ISBN number for it, and searching through the publication history provided by Basic Books, I saw no book by that name published at all. Interesting that book is seemingly so hard to locate, and even more interesting it has no IBSN associated with it... SOmething which ALL published books do...

If I'm not mistaken, I just pwned you and your silly little chain letter forward email.​

I'm not a pro-abortionist, but I can chuck out some statistics for you:

Christians make up the religion most likely to abort, with 70% of women getting abortions identifying as Protestant or Catholic.

60% of women who obtain abortions already have one or more children

3/4 of women who abort cite "unable to support a family" as the reason behind their abortions.

54% of women who abort were using birth control at the time of conception. Only 8% of women who get abortions have never, ever used any form of birth control.

96% of abortions occur at 8 weeks, 40% of those occuring in the first 4 weeks

The rate of injury from an abortion requiring hospitalization is 0.03%

Repeated studies from the 1980s and beyond, including a study that tracked women 10, 20, and 30 years after abortion have shown that there is no mental illness or injury that occurs because of abortion

Abortion does not increase chances of miscarriage with subsequent pregnancies, nor does it cause cancer, and actually techniques used in some abortions are shown to dramatically increase fertility in women unable to concieve

The rate of mortality in abortion is 1 per 1 million

In the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court ruled that women, in consultation with their physician, have a constitutionally protected right to have an abortion in the early stages of pregnancy—that is, before viability—free from government interference.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html



Well, people making up quotes and passing them off as fact is another form of lying. When people have to lie to make their argument stronger than it is, those people find that those of us who've got BS meters really like to jump all over it. Really, it goes to prove that your arguments against abortion are every bit as weak as we suspect.

Tell me, why don't you quote the ACTUAL quotes of ACTUAL doctors who explain abortion, its need, and it's benefits?




Except, of course, everybody knows that the term "pro-choice" refers to one's personal stance on abortion. Anybody who thinks that being pro-choice can mean that somebody is pro-choosing to kill people, or pro-choosing to hang puppies, or pro-choosing to not work on every other Monday, is somebody who is really ignorant and uninformed... And should probably leave the discussion of adult topics to adults.

After all, if one can't even get the basic terminology regarding the abortion debate down, they've really got no business trying to tell other people how they should feel on a subjet they're obviously stupid about.



I love bumpersticker philosophers. Cute catchphrases aren't a substitute for being knowledgable on a subject.


​

you win, thread over

 

[Washington]

And whats even more sad are people who make ad hominem posts.

Well, coming from someone whose supposed examples turned out to be laughably nonexistent it's no surprise your response would be just as lacking in relevance. 'Tain't our fault your inabilities were exposed.

Did you even read the references and the link? All referances have the book, page number and magazine number.

If you can't come up with even one example of your claim in your OP why should we expect our claim about the sources is true. You've already shown an inability to handle facts. We're not the dummies as you need us to be, PetersKeys.

 

[PassionFruit]

About those sources you have, well there are some issues. I decided to take time out to investigate some your sources. Okay, the book Abortion the Silent Holocaust, well the title is just plain wrong. Calling abortion a silent holocaust is merely appealing to emotion. Also the term "holocaust" is translated to mean holo (completely), and kaustos (burn). It can also mean "sacrifice by fire." Referring to abortion as such is incorrect.

And Tropical Wilds is right, there's no such book entitled In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital. I also searched on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. So why are you posting sources that don't exist?

 

[flicka]

60 million isn't alot compared to the population of the world. If those 60 million were alive there wouldn't be much difference because they would be dispersed all over the world. In fact you'd probably notice nothing.

The root we need to get to in this world is WHY these children weren't wanted in the first place. And this has to do with absolutly no teaching of family values in our school systems and familys. We need to start returning to christian moral before its too late, where husband and wife have roles, and children are protected.

Morals have nothing to do with wanting kids. Sex is a natural instinct but wanting kids is not. That is the problem. It's not "family values" issue since "family values" doesn't really exist except for those wanting to define the term for their own benefit.

And since you wouldn't notice an extra 60 million people you won't notice the lack of 60 million people either. Unless it was you or someone close to you ending a pregnancy you will never have cause to know there was ever the possibility of another person. That's why I don't understand those who cry over the RvW numbers like they do. If the people already existed there would be major losses for everyone that came in contact with them, but a pregnancy ended at 10 weeks doesn't effect anyone else.

 

[selfinflikted]

Is this one of those cases you all are always talking about - "lying for jesus"? The op says very specifically that doctors that perform abortions admit that it is "murder", however not one of the quotes in the OP mentions murder.

As far as the OP goes, I call SHENANIGANS!

 

[Adivi]

I suggest you read the bottom before you claim "no information where they came from"

1. Cheryl Alkon "Confessions of an Abortion Doctor" Boston Magazine December 2004
2. Nat Hentoff "It's Just too Late: Third Trimester Abortions are an Outrage and an Insult to the Human Race" Pittsburg Post Gazette July 27. 1993
3. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death Inside an Abortion Hospital (Basic Books, Inc.: New York) 1976. p 64
4. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 77
5. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 140
6. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 145
7. Magda Denes, PhD. In Necessity and Sorrow p 147
8. Jeff Lane Hensley. The Zero People (Servant Books: Ann Arbor) 1983, p 9
9. Diane M. Gianelli, "Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts," American Medical News, July 12, 1993.
10. David Stout "An Abortion Rights Advocate Says he Lied About the Procedure" New York Times February 26, 1997
11. John Pekkanen. M.D.: Doctors Talk About Themselves (Delcorte Press: New York) 1988. Pgs 90-91
12. Peter Korn. Lovejoy: A Year in the Life of an Abortion Clinic (The Atlantic Monthly Press: New York) 1996 p 94
13. Leo Wang "The Abortionist" Berkeley Medical Journal Spring 1995
14. Dr. William F. Harrison "Why I Provide Abortions" 1996
15. Donahue, May 15, 1989, Transcript #3288 NBC
16. Magda Denes, PhD. "Performing Abortions" Commentary October 1976 p 34
17. John Powell, S.J. Abortion: The Silent Holocaust (Argus Communications: Allen, Tx) 1981, p 66
18. Daily News (Chicago) October 22, 1976) Quoted in Abortion: The Silent Holocaust by John Powell, S.J. p 67
19. Miriam Claire The Abortion Dilemma: Personal Views on a Public Issue. (Insight Books: New York) 1995, p 30
20. Nat Hentoff "An Abortionist's World: How to Rationalize Inhumanity" The Washington Times Febuary 6, 2006. Citing Stephanie Simon "Offering Abortion, Rebirth" Los Angeles Times November 29, 2005
21. New York Times Magazine April 7, 1977. Quoted by Magda Denes and Cited in Abortion: The Silent Holocaust p 67-68
22. Nancy Dey Abortion: Debating the Issue (Enslow Publishers: Springfield, IL) 1995 p 49
23. Stephen Chapman "Is Partial Birth Abortion Really So Awful?" Chicago Tribune March 23, 1997 p 23
24. Tamara L. Roleff. Abortion: Opposing Viewpoints (Greenhaven Press: San Diego) 1997 p 25
25. Magda Denes, PhD. "Performing Abortions" Commentary Magazine October 1976, 33-37
26. Democrat & Chronicle 7/5/92​

Now where are your statistics from you pro-abortionists?? Oh wait you have none I forgot, except the 60 million already dead

Why is everyone so touchy? These are quotes from the doctors YOU support.



The problem is there is no such difference. You can mask anything under "Choice". "I think its ok for people to have the CHOICE to murder anyone. And because of that im pro-choice." I prefer to name them what they truely are. Human beings aren't choices.

Killing is not the same as murder, and as posted above, a lot of these sources just aren't correct or don't exist.

 

[TeaRose]

The root to determining if abortion is murder is to determine when life begins. I'm not talking simple biological life, such as can be found in plants, I'm talking the more complex "human" life which is slightly harder to define than simple biological life.

If one takes the stance that "life" begins at conception, then they must also face the fact that the removal of a parasitic twin is murder. A parasitic twin is a fertilized egg that develops partially and is attached to another twin that develops fully. The parasitic twin is incapable of sustaining it's own life and can only survive while attached to the host twin. Since two eggs were fertilized and two embryos were conceived, then, according to the "life begins at conception" argument, there are two lives and removing the parasitic twin, thus killing it, must be murder.

I, however, believe that "life" begins with the first breath and abortion is not murder.