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Abortion and 'responsibility'

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JESUS<3sYOU

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Some people who just don't know better like to think that killing an unplanned child means assuming responsibility. I don't know if that attitude existed before modern times, but I could take a guess that some heathens had almost exactly the same regard for their children as they had for cattle, which, if that was ever the case, would be a close match.

I just wanted to say that, and as a note - if you don't think that this is much of a discussion - I wanted to post it as an answer to a good thread in Edification (Christians Only), but posts regarding abortion are no longer allowed there, so it goes here instead.

You can discuss this if you want to. I know that there are different takes on this from various self-identifying Christians, especially those who think that Jesus spent a lot of time teaching about commandments that he would shortly make entirely irrelevant by his death. It's an absurd point of view, that's my opinion, not to mention that it's incompatible with any variant of Christianity deserving that name, and with this I have said my part:

Abortion is killing, and killing is condemned by Jesus:

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Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If you say "that's not all", then I will reply that you are right, but there is no doubt about this: Jesus Christ our God teached us, his flock, that is Israel, that is Christians, the faithful, as a matter of salvation to keep the commandments.
 
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Abortion is the intentional killing of a being that was created in the image of God. That's murder.

Is there anything else I can do for you?

Please note that this is merely your opinion, not actually what the law says.
 
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Please note that this is merely your opinion, not actually what the law says.
No way.

I am not stupid enough expound an opinion in matters that are clearly defined by the Church.

However, you are welcome to tell us exactly which parish priest or pastor over an assembly of Christians it is that recommends or allows abortion.
 
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Abortion is killing, and killing is condemned by Jesus

While I agree with the former premise that abortion is killing, it's just not true that killing is altogether condemned by Jesus.
If we're going to use the definitive understanding of "kill" to be "to deprive of life; cause the death of," (Kill - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary), then I'm very curious as to where people get the idea that such actions are altogether prohibited.

Murder in particular is prohibited, but not killing in general. All murder is killing but not all killing is murder. Soldiers that kill terrorists and insurgents in the line of duty are not murderers. A man that protects his family by killing an intruder breaking into his home is not a murderer. A person that loses control of their car and hits and kills a passerby is not a murderer. A hunter that kills a cow for some hamburgers is not a murderer.

Murder is personal. It is done with malicious aforethought. Not all killing involves that quality, so you can't just lump all situations that involve killing into that level of moral condemnation. Murder, I would submit, is best defined as the killing of a person with malicious aforethought. And it's here where people divide on the facts concerning abortion. Not everyone agrees that the subject being killed is a person. If it is not a person, it is impossible to be guilty of murder by killing it. Further still, even if it is a person at the time of abortion, it may still be killed without malicious intent (e.g. the mother and fetus would both perish if the pregnancy continued, or the fetus had a painful, terminal disease that might warrant euthanasia).

The fact that abortion involves "killing" just isn't enough to morally condemn it. We "kill" things all the time - even people in some cases - without labeling the action as "murder."
 
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Abortion is the intentional killing of a being that was created in the image of God. That's murder.

Is there anything else I can do for you?
Yes, you can offer some actual proof of your argument. Your opinion doesn't count.
 
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Thanks for your opinion.
For Singermom and I we see the Bible refers to God knowing and knitting together a life in the womb. If one attributes what the Bible says to another person's opinion then one can't be believing it is from God, sorry its just not logically possible. And if one doesnt attribute what the Bible says as from God, then in what exactly is one's faith if not God.
 
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For Singermom and I we see the Bible refers to God knowing and knitting together a life in the womb. If one attributes what the Bible says to another person's opinion then one can't be believing it is from God, sorry its just not logically possible. And if one doesnt attribute what the Bible says as from God, then in what exactly is one's faith if not God.

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Lux et Lex,
For Singermom and I we see the Bible refers to God knowing and knitting together a life in the womb. If one attributes what the Bible says to another person's opinion then one can't be believing it is from God, sorry its just not logically possible. And if one doesnt attribute what the Bible says as from God, then in what exactly is one's faith if not God.

I know the verse you're talking about and I always thought it was poetic about how God knew all of him, not a literal transcription of how God made him.
 
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Phinehas2

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Not what God knew but what the writer hoped God knew. Difference.
So not my opinion then or the opinion of Singermom. So why did you make that statement?
However faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see... hoping the writer knew about God isnt faith and without faith one cannot please God.



NB but I will take into account your approach in future.
 
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