Abortion and Infanticide

[brightlights]

Would anyone be interested in a formal debate concerning the moral permissibility of abortion and infanticide?

For the record, I view both as morally impermissible.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

Not interested in a debate, but for what my opinion is worth, to me they are both murder...nothing to debate

 

[katautumn]

Would anyone be interested in a formal debate concerning the moral permissibility of abortion and infanticide?

For the record, I view both as morally impermissible.

I really don't believe you can lump the two together into one category and debate them as being one and the same. Abortion isn't the same as infanticide.

 

[brightlights]

I really don't believe you can lump the two together into one category and debate them as being one and the same. Abortion isn't the same as infanticide.

Certainly not, but they are related. This is not to say that one is like the other, but many arguments concerning abortion directly deal with infanticide as well. I include it for technicality.

 

[Nathan45]

I accept this debate.

but there doesn't appear to be a formal debate section for ethics & morality.

 

[cantata]

Sure, have at it.

 

[stan1980]

Can anyone give me a quick run down on the formal debate structure?

 

[DieHappy]

I accept this debate.

but there doesn't appear to be a formal debate section for ethics & morality.

I'm pretty sure you can start an op that clearly says who can participate and what the rules are. Ask a moderator who frequents ethics to pay close attention and delete comments from someone not included in the op (I'd suggest WorldFriction/RisingMoon) and as long as you two, or you several if want a 4 or 6 way debate, stick to the rules you've established in the op, then it can stay right here and be fun for all to watch. Since there is no formal debate section, it stays right here in ethics.

 

[PetersKeys]

Not interested in a debate, but for what my opinion is worth, to me they are both murder...nothing to debate

Thats the problem with debates. opinions are just opinions. If people really want an answer they need to go to a greater authority that can speak infallibly. I prefer to agree that abortion is murder, because the Church as a whole has infallibly declared that. Since the holy spirit leads the church I know this is true. I don't need to rely on errored human wisdom.

As a whole all the bishops and Church agreed that abortion and ABC were a grave sin. So I also agree, because the holy spirit led the church to declare these things infallibly.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

I don't believe in the infallibility of your church....I believe that my belief in God tells me abortion and infantaside is murder.
Debates are just opinions, the same as any arguements, that's why I don't participate.

 

[morningstar2651]

Not interested in a debate, but for what my opinion is worth, to me they are both murder...nothing to debate

Is it murder in the case of a tubal pregnancy? That's when the fetus grows in the fallopian tube, causing it to rupture, killing both mother and fetus.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

Is it murder in the case of a tubal pregnancy? That's when the fetus grows in the fallopian tube, causing it to rupture, killing both mother and fetus.

I'm fully aware of what a tubal pregnancy is, and no I don't think that is murder. The child would die anyway.....so to save the mother, the child must be sacrificed.

 

[yasic]

I would like to see the formal debate. If you arrange it to be someplace besides right on here, could someone please PM me a link?

Much appreciated.

 

[Nathan45]

It's on this forum a few posts down. lol.

http://christianforums.com/t6990197-is-abortion-morally-permissible.html

 

[Meshavrischika]

Would anyone be interested in a formal debate concerning the moral permissibility of abortion and infanticide?

For the record, I view both as morally impermissible.

on a religious basis? if so, then I would say you are welcome to hold your beliefs... but not force them on others (I hold the same beliefs, but I also support legalization of abortion because I don't believe in legislating religious morality)

 

[Madcoil]

Life begins at conception! And sentience begins at 43.

 

[Meshavrischika]

Life begins at conception! And sentience begins at 43.

I think youre overestimating sentience. I think maybe right before death. lol

 

[jayem]

I'm fully aware of what a tubal pregnancy is, and no I don't think that is murder. The child would die anyway.....so to save the mother, the child must be sacrificed.

But how about all the gray areas? Where the pregnancy poses a definite health risk to the mother, but the outcome is uncertain. Like a woman who has a heart attack in early pregnancy (occurs in 1 of 10,000 pregnancies.) Maybe she can carry the pregnancy to delivery, but maybe not. Or a woman diagnosed with cancer. Maybe she can put off radiation or chemotherapy till after delivery. But then the cancer might progress to an incurable state. I work in health care and have personally seen hard cases like these. Doctors will do everything possible to save both mother and fetus, but there's never any guarrantee. Would it really be morally wrong for an ill woman to terminate a pregnancy if it will provide a better chance of successfully recovering from a grave illness?

 

[Meshavrischika]

But how about all the gray areas? Where the pregnancy poses a definite health risk to the mother, but the outcome is uncertain. Like a woman who has a heart attack in early pregnancy (occurs in 1 of 10,000 pregnancies.) Maybe she can carry the pregnancy to delivery, but maybe not. Or a woman diagnosed with cancer. Maybe she can put off radiation or chemotherapy till after delivery. But then the cancer might progress to an incurable state. I work in health care and have personally seen hard cases like these. Doctors will do everything possible to save both mother and fetus, but there's never any guarrantee. Would it really be morally wrong for an ill woman to terminate a pregnancy if it will provide a better chance of successfully recovering from a grave illness?

not at all.

 

[jayem]

Would anyone be interested in a formal debate concerning the moral permissibility of abortion and infanticide?

For the record, I view both as morally impermissible.

You do recognize the difference between morality and legality? Some things may be morally wrong, but for various reasons, may not be prosecutable offenses, or even civilly tortious under the law.

So, regarding elective abortion, are you arguing only morality, or morality and legality?