Abomination etymology

[SouthernPlanter]

I'm trying to get better etymology of the word "Abomination". Mainly because if the word seems to have derived from divine providence, when it was revealed that the Abomination will stand before the new Temple in the end times; then I think we're screwed because "Obama-nation", and "Abomination" might as well be the same words. Words are created by their consonants, not their vowels, which is why transliteration of consonants are so much easier. B-M-N-T-N are the consonants in Abomination and Obama-nation and if you eliminate the very English "tion" it still leaves the word Abomina...and well whatever.

What's the etymology of this word? heh.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Wait, what? Are you saying that you think that 'abomination' and a word that you made up 'Obama-nation' are etymologically linked? Or that 'Obama' and 'Abomina' are etymologically related?

 

[artybloke]

I'm not surprised I gave up on evangelicalism when I read this kind of bonkers thinking. Etymology has no real impact on the meaning of a word (it has to have a context to mean something) and letters and words are not magic.

"Abomination" is an English word; the word it translates is "to-evah" and it means some kind of religious impurity. Thus, eating shellfish is "toevah", as was putting up a statue in the Temple courts (the origin of the Abomination of Desolation). Are you saying that being pro-Obama is like eating a prawn sandwich? If so, pass me the rose marie sauce.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Etymology has no real impact on the meaning of a word

Not to mention that for etymology to work it has to actually be applied to real words.

and letters and words are not magic.

Too true. And more importantly, the Biblical writers did not think they were magic either.

Are you saying that being pro-Obama is like eating a prawn sandwich? If so, pass me the rose marie sauce.

Ha ha!

 

[ebia]

I'm trying to get better etymology of the word "Abomination". Mainly because if the word seems to have derived from divine providence, when it was revealed that the Abomination will stand before the new Temple in the end times; then I think we're screwed because "Obama-nation", and "Abomination" might as well be the same words. Words are created by their consonants, not their vowels, which is why transliteration of consonants are so much easier. B-M-N-T-N are the consonants in Abomination and Obama-nation and if you eliminate the very English "tion" it still leaves the word Abomina...and well whatever.

What's the etymology of this word? heh.

Whatever happened to the banging-one's-head-against-a-wall smilie?

 

[SouthernPlanter]

Whatever happened to civilly answering a question?

First: etymology of a word is the origins of that word! I'm curious about it because:

If the origin of the word as far as anyone can tell is rooted from Hebrew, then it could be argued the word originated in prophecy of the end times where the Abomination will stand before the Temple.

Now, the reason I emphasize the consonants is because when transliterating words from one to another language, the vowels often are wrong.

If in Hebrew the word were BMNT and a suffix of T or that is added for english purposes...

We can do all sorts of things to them.

Abomination

Ubomination

Obomination

Abamenution

See?

This is why in Semetic languages they never really put vowels in the written words, mainly this is true with any ancient languages because vowel transcription took a while to work out, the word Abomination and the word Obamanation may as well be the same word.

Obama-nation is not my invention, Democrats used it to describe the crowd that follows Obama...the Obama Nation.

If the origins of the word Abomination are not transliterations from Hebrew (meaning in Latin, Latin pulled it from Hebrew and then from Latin English took it and so forth).

Then this theory is pointless.

If however there is a link to the word Abomination and Hebrew, there's a sever problem that maybe the prophet who prophesied the "Abomination" was hearing the words Obama Nation.

You cannot refute that; so just argue the question, is the word from Hebrew or not!?

 

[ebia]

Abomination: from Old French abomination, from L. abominationem (nom. abominatio) "abomination," from abominatus, pp. of abominari "shun as an ill omen," from ab- "off, away from" + omin-, stem of omen.

From Latin via French. Nothing to do with Hebrew. The Hebrew words sometimes translated abomination don't sound anything like and aren't etymologically connected to the English word.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

If in Hebrew the word were BMNT and a suffix of T or that is added for english purposes...

It's not.

mainly this is true with any ancient languages because vowel transcription took a while to work out,

Pardon? I have never heard of any non-semitic language that did not put in vowels. I am not saying that they don't exist, but they are rare. (P.S. I love ancient languages, so I am decently familiar with several).

If the origins of the word Abomination are not transliterations from Hebrew (meaning in Latin, Latin pulled it from Hebrew and then from Latin English took it and so forth).

Then this theory is pointless.

It didn't.

If however there is a link to the word Abomination and Hebrew, there's a sever problem that maybe the prophet who prophesied the "Abomination" was hearing the words Obama Nation.

You cannot refute that

Actually, even if it did come from Hebrew I could refute this.

Abomination: from Old French abomination, from L. abominationem (nom. abominatio) "abomination," from abominatus, pp. of abominari "shun as an ill omen," from ab- "off, away from" + omin-, stem of omen.

From Latin via French. Nothing to do with Hebrew. The Hebrew words sometimes translated abomination don't sound anything like and aren't etymologically connected to the English word.

You beat me to it.

@SouthernPlanter: I hope you don't take offense at this. I just don't place much stock in reading modern politics into the Old Testament.

 

[SouthernPlanter]

Egyptian is a language that does not use vowels; same with Linear B or with Cuneiform and with the Hittite language.

I agree the word seems to originate from Latin which is why I wanted to discuss it; because etymology doesn't end where the Dictionary says - my dictionary says it was Old English and online dictionaries said Latin...etc.

Hence why I want the discussion about it - so let's go the step further. What is the Hebrew word being used for abomination?

 

[artybloke]

To'evah. As I said above.

Nothing like "abomination." (TVH, not BMNTN)

And again, what does the possible use of similar letters have to do with anything?

Latin doesn't have anything much at all to do with Hebrew, by the way. One is a semitic language, the other is the origin of the Romance languages.

Language is not magic.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Egyptian is a language that does not use vowels; same with Linear B or with Cuneiform and with the Hittite language.

You are correct about Egyptian, but Linear B does use vowels. As does Cuneiform and the Hittite language.

Besides, Egyptian is a part of the Afro-Asiatic language group, as are Semitic languages, so there is no surprise that they would share that similarity.

Also, I am sure that you know this, but just to be sure (especially for people that are reading these posts that might not be as familiar with the subject) when you say that they don't use vowels it is important to recognize that that is just in the written form. Believe it or not, when people first hear that Hebrew didn't originally wright vowels a few of them actually think that that meant that they didn't have or pronounce the vowels.

Latin doesn't have anything much at all to do with Hebrew, by the way. One is a semitic language, the other is the origin of the Romance languages.

Yeah, we don't see much sharing between the two. They were just too far apart geographically for most of the formation period of the language. The only real sharing that we see are real specific Hebrew terms in regards to the Jewish religious practice that don't have any corresponding word in Latin.