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Abiogenesis seeded from space

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The creation myth proponents frequently start with the argument against evolution by stating "well how did life start from nothing?". Evolution can explain life on earth all the way back to the simplest of living organisms, but the first building blocks, the amino acids, have been thought by creationists to be to unlikely to occur "randomly". Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids. "Lifesoup" was carried here by comets. The most common amino acid on earth, Glycine, has now been confirmed to be found on the comet wild-2.

So amino acids rained down on earth from outer space. Space is full of the building blocks of life. Given the right environment, life will evolve. The universe is likely filled with lifeforms on countless worlds. No gods needed.
 
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The creation myth proponents frequently start with the argument against evolution by stating "well how did life start from nothing?". Evolution can explain life on earth all the way back to the simplest of living organisms, but the first building blocks, the amino acids, have been thought by creationists to be to unlikely to occur "randomly". Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids. "Lifesoup" was carried here by comets. The most common amino acid on earth, Glycine, has now been confirmed to be found on the comet wild-2.

So amino acids rained down on earth from outer space. Space is full of the building blocks of life. Given the right environment, life will evolve. The universe is likely filled with lifeforms on countless worlds. No gods needed.
That might well be true but creationists do not want the truth they want everlasting life, if you could come up with something that is true and give everlasting life you would be on to a winner, as it is......
 
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The creation myth proponents frequently start with the argument against evolution by stating "well how did life start from nothing?". Evolution can explain life on earth all the way back to the simplest of living organisms, but the first building blocks, the amino acids, have been thought by creationists to be to unlikely to occur "randomly". Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids. "Lifesoup" was carried here by comets. The most common amino acid on earth, Glycine, has now been confirmed to be found on the comet wild-2.

So amino acids rained down on earth from outer space. Space is full of the building blocks of life. Given the right environment, life will evolve. The universe is likely filled with lifeforms on countless worlds. No gods needed.
Prove that the comet never originated from earth for starters. Walt Brown claimed that comets were debris shot out from earth at the flood.

Whether Walt's mechanism was the right one or not is not the issue. Tell us more about where the comet originated, if you know..:)
 
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Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids.
That's not abiogenesis --- and in fact, that theory is closer to Intelligent Design.
 
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The creation myth proponents frequently start with the argument against evolution by stating "well how did life start from nothing?". Evolution can explain life on earth all the way back to the simplest of living organisms, but the first building blocks, the amino acids, have been thought by creationists to be to unlikely to occur "randomly". Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids. "Lifesoup" was carried here by comets. The most common amino acid on earth, Glycine, has now been confirmed to be found on the comet wild-2.

So amino acids rained down on earth from outer space. Space is full of the building blocks of life. Given the right environment, life will evolve. The universe is likely filled with lifeforms on countless worlds. No gods needed.

I don't even know if the bolded portion is necessary. Nobody does, really.

Comets can make amino acids... so does the Miller/Urey experiment conditions... so does freezing a mixture of ammonia and cyanide for a few decades... very likely also to be formed in the heat gradient of hydrothermal vents. Anyone still in favor of a "just so" notion of how amino acids are made has an agenda to plug. 'Cause they're stupid-easy to make under a wide variety of common temperature and pressure conditions.

As for the whole of life... *shrug* it could be common, universe-wide. We have little evidence either way.
 
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The creation myth proponents frequently start with the argument against evolution by stating "well how did life start from nothing?". Evolution can explain life on earth all the way back to the simplest of living organisms, but the first building blocks, the amino acids, have been thought by creationists to be to unlikely to occur "randomly". Even though that is not the case, looks like those building blocks arrived from space intact as amino acids. "Lifesoup" was carried here by comets. The most common amino acid on earth, Glycine, has now been confirmed to be found on the comet wild-2.

So amino acids rained down on earth from outer space. Space is full of the building blocks of life. Given the right environment, life will evolve. The universe is likely filled with lifeforms on countless worlds. No gods needed.
You should know better than to debate evolution from an abiogenesis standpoint. Evolution itself, isn't concerned with the origin of life, but the origin of species.

Still, it's an interesting article nonetheless.
 
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Tell you what, dad. You prove a negative for us first (any negative you want), then we will do it for you. Until then, don't come back. :wave:
In other words, you prefer to believe that the comet never originated here, but do not wish to be asked for proof on your claim. Got it.
 
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In other words, you prefer to believe that the comet never originated here, but do not wish to be asked for proof on your claim. Got it.

No, "dad." You asked us to prove a negative. Show us you can prove a negative, first then we will do it too. Got it now, Mr "undefeated?" Tell you what... I will give you an example to prove isn't true. There is an invisible pink unicorn living under my bed. She likes eating grapes. I am her favorite, as she created everything in the universe last Thursday, but likes me best. Prove she doesn't exist, or admit Defeat. In fact, if you cannot prove she doesn't exist, that means your God is a fraud, since the Univisible Pink Unicorn is the true Creator. Take your time. :wave:
 
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I believe the term "universal negative" would've been more accurate, in this instance.
So it's impossible for any dentist in the universe to prove Joe doesn't have any cavities?

Seriously --- I don't follow you.

What's a 'universal negative'?
 
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So it's impossible for a dentist to prove Joe has no cavities?

Quite true, AVET. The dentist can claim he can find no cavities in Joe's mouth, but cannot really claim it is proof that Joe has no cavities. For example, Joe could have a very small cavity, that the dentist cannot see.
 
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